Posted 5-25-03
I doubt it, for Mt. 24:46 says, "...to give them meat IN DUE SEASON. Blessed is that servant, whom his lord WHEN HE COMETH shall find so doing." I also remember that 2Co 12:9 says, "My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
Either way, I want to do exactly what He wants me to do. I trust his wisdom totally, no matter what. If this is a test, I aim to come through with flying colors....
Getting a new body at the Rapture can't come too soon for all of us. Agape
NOTE - 5-24-03 - I think I found out last night why I have been out of commission with terrible back and leg pain for awhile. I figured the Lord had a good reason. Neither Ed nor I could drive our car. Our son needed it until he could find him a van. He found it last night, but has to pick it up in a few days. The Lord provided a van that is much better than Dave even dreamed he'd be able to get. THANK YOU LORD! I prayed that he would get one that would serve his purposes and be reliable. This one has over 100,000 miles on it, but it has had the best of care. No problems yet. As for me, I am improving day by day.
Egypt 5/20/03 - The original copy of the Book of Psalms, which dates back to the 3rd or 4th century AD is kept inside the Coptic Museum, said Zahi Hawas, Secretary General of the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA).
In statements to MENA, Hawas dismissed the reports that the Psalms of Prophet David were stolen from the Coptic Museum.
Hawas said the Psalms are religious hymns and litanies, adding France has got a non-original copy of this book that dates back to the 18th century.
Recent reports said that some important archaeological pieces, including the Book of Psalms, vanished from the Coptic Museum during inventory.
Hawas said the Book tells the history of the Jews and contains their prayers, rituals, traditions and litanies, adding the Book, one of the most valuable ancient religious manuscripts, is part of the Holy Book's Old Testament and was written in Coptic language, the accent of Bahasa, a village in Beni Suef.
Hawas said the book of Psalms was excavated in a tomb beneath the head of a girl child in a cemetery near the governorate of Beni Suef.
Romulus and Remus
May 15, 2003 — A fragment of writing by Stesichorus, a Graeco-Sicilian poet who wrote not long after Rome's founding, suggests Rome was named after a Trojan woman called Roma.
The fragment, rediscovered and embraced by growing numbers of Italians today, challenges the popular legend that Romulus was Rome's founder.
Eleanor Leach, professor of classics at Indiana University, Bloomington, told Discovery News that the story is also recounted in a 5th century historical narrative entitled "Roman Antiquities" by the Greek writer Dionysius of Halicarnassus. He referred to the woman as Rhome, which means "power" in Greek....
23/05/2003 - Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will soon bring the U.S.-backed road map for an Israeli-Palestinian settlement to the cabinet for approval, using the draft that was submitted to both Israel and the Palestinians on April 30....
In order to give the plan an additional push, U.S. President George W. Bush is considering coming to the region in EARLY JUNE, Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said Thursday. Bush would meet with both Sharon and Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen)....
Meanwhile, President George W. Bush will go down in history as being the first U.S. president to officially present a plan of Palestinian statehood in a speech before the U.N. General Assembly, on November 10, 2001, when he declared a two-state solution in the Middle East — Israel and a new Palestine state. Bush brought this idea to the forefront of U.S. foreign policy, and has continued to do so in numerous speeches, diplomatic meetings conducted by his administration, and now through the Road Map initiative. "No President had ever gone there before," said Koenig....
Koenig has been able to prove through his research that when Israeli settlements are touched, there are also occurrences of hurricanes, tornadoes, and major problems in the American economy. He explained that the settlement issue is what the international community will now use to pressure Israel to compromise land for peace....
As America continues to put pressure on Israel to abide by the concerns of the international community, we can expect to see more calamities in the heavens and on the earth, as men plan their ways, and the Lord divinely directs their steps.
...Another interesting comment from Koenig had to do with Israel's weather conditions this past winter. February was the wettest month in Israel's history. Koenig, who studies the correlation between weather patterns and diplomacy concerning the land of Israel, said, The last time there were major rains was before the Oslo Accords were signed in September 1993.
Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
...And all the while from the left we heard the refrain, “America armed Saddam.” Well, the truth can now be told. The current issue of The Weekly Standard, quoting from a study done by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, provides a breakdown of which nations supplied weapons to Iraq between 1973 and 2002.
Number one, by far, was the former Soviet Union (Russia) with a whopping 57 percent. Next came peace-loving France with 13 percent, followed by China at 12 percent, Czechoslovakia at 7 percent, Poland with 4 percent and Brazil with 2 percent.
Bringing up the rear were Egypt, Romania, Denmark, Libya and those warmongering cowboys, the United States of America, with a paltry 1 percent each....
Explanation: Many people have heard a sonic boom, but few have seen one. When an airplane travels at a speed faster than sound, density waves of sound emitted by the plane cannot precede the plane, and so accumulate in a cone behind the plane. When this shock wave passes, a listener hears all at once the sound emitted over a longer period: a sonic boom. As a plane accelerates to just break the sound barrier, however, an unusual cloud might form. The origin of this cloud is still debated. A leading theory is that a drop in air pressure at the plane described by the Prandtl-Glauert Singularity occurs so that moist air condenses there to form water droplets. Above, an F/A-18 Hornet was photographed just as it broke the sound barrier. Large meteors and the space shuttle frequently produce audible sonic booms before they are slowed below sound speed by the Earth's atmosphere.
I thought that you might be interested in looking at the photos.
http://www.aroodawakening.tv/harkarkoum.htm
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...Episode 8 is on “The Real Mt. Sinai”, and since we can’t get access to Saudi Arabia right now, we went to this location, which is one of the places Israel stayed on their 40-year journey....
BTW, Egypt's border is now between the Negev and Sinai Peninsula. This Har Karkoum is in the southern Negev, not in the Sinai Peninsula.
I'm sorry to read that. It means that you are on a slippery slide to Hell.
> > "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you". With that one phrase...all scripture and doctrine from ALL faiths is negated.
The Bible is not negated. That just sums up the substance of the Law and right behaviour. It does not save anyone. Only accepting Jesus Christ as your own personal Saviour can do that. Acts 4:10,12 says, "by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead...Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
> > I say be careful to you friend because it would appear to me that you may be placing worth in the King James version of The Bible. If you must find the truth...refer to the first draft. Interprit and understand the words in what man has come to know as The Dead Sea Scrolls.
You bet I am "placing worth in the King James version of The Bible." I have the Dead Sea Scrolls Bible for comparison, but the whole Bible is found in the King James Version. It is not all in the Dead Sea Scrolls Bible, not by a long shot. You would know that if you ever looked at it closely. For instance, Genesis in the DSSB is 9 pages. In the KJV, it is 70 pages.
> > think not from doctrine...but from the heart and conscience.
You speak like an unsaved man that wants to think things out for himself without reading Scripture. Proverbs 3:5 says, "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding." Try reading the New Testament first. You need to understand how to be saved.
Romans 10:9,10 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Agape (God's kind of love).
In the book of Joel, in context with the description of "the day of the Lord" and last days judgments, God says, "I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and DIVIDED UP MY LAND" (3:2, NIV). (Emphasis supplied.)
Dividing up God's covenant land is one of the two stated reasons for God's judgment upon "all nations."
With this wording in mind, Israel Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's words today are especially significant. In this morning's Yediot Acharonot newspaper in Israel, Sharon was quoted as saying, "It's time to DIVIDE THE LAND" (emphasis supplied).
This is a historic, anti-biblical confession of the leader of Israel, and approved by his cabinet. Sharon further stated that the decision was a "choice was between 'the least of the evils'." But little does he realize the horrible evil and the judgments on the world AND Israel that will spring forth from this "least of the evils."
If the agreement is ever consummated and the land divided, will this trigger the judgments upon "all nations" as prophesied? It is interesting that this dividing of the land is being pushed on Israel by the UN and the EU, as well as the U.S. and Russia. That's about as close to "all nations" as you can get.
It is unthinkable that Israel's ancient biblical lands, given to her by God as an eternal covenant, would be divided and given to a terrorist state, but that is what "all nations" are pressuring Israel to do, driven by their petro-dollar interests (spell that G-R-E-E-D, which the world is following instead of God's Word).
Will it happen soon? I don't know. It seems unlikely that the Palestinian Authority can ever meet the plan's condition of stopping terrorism, since that is what the PLO is all about. But we shall see.
Of immediate concern is the stated "intention" of all nations, including the U.S., to divide the land, and what God's response to this may be. Oh, what interesting times these are! Jim
"Whether right or not, this has been my reasoning on the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14. Maybe you can see how they can apply in a different way. Daniel's vision of the 2300 evenings and mornings in chapter 8 apply to the last end of the indignation. Dan. 8:17 says, "at the time of the end shall be the vision." V. 19 says, "in the LAST END OF THE INDIGNATION: FOR AT THE TIME APPOINTED (mowed, a fixed time, or specifically, a FESTIVAL) THE END SHALL BE." This seems to tie in with the Feast of Trumpets. In Dan. 8:25,26, "he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Christ); but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."
I would like to know, what do you mean it ties it with the Feast of Trumpets? I have been studying the feasts and I don't see what connection you see here? Please explain what you mean... Thank you. God Bless
> > what do you mean it ties it with the Feast of Trumpets?
The 2300 evenings and mornings end "in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be (Dan. 8:19).
Mal 2:2 shows that the curse of the "last end" will come upon Israel on a feast. It says, "If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart. Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one (feast) shall take you away with it."
The first day of the millennial Day of the Lord is the Day of Darkness, the Day of Destruction. Amo 5:18 says, "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the THE DAY OF THE LORD IS DARKNESS, and not light."
Isa 13:6 says, "Howl ye; for the day (Millennium) of the LORD is at hand; it shall come (start on Tishri 1, first day of the Jewish Civil Year) as a DESTRUCTION from the Almighty."
Joel 1:14,15, 2:1-3 revealed that the feast of the Day of Destruction is TRUMPETS. On Trumpets, it says, "Sanctify ye a fast (the upcoming Day of Atonement, i.e., the Days of Awe are to follow Trumpets and end on the Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly (on Trumpets), gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand (the Millennium will start on the Feast of Trumpets), and as a DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY shall it (the first day of the Millennium) come....Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD (the Millennium) cometh (on Trumpets), for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea." Agape
"Curiously, this is one of the few numbers in the Bible where there is a descrepency in early manuscripts of the Old Testament. Th manuscript versions from which our modern versions (including the KJV and the NIV) translated this passage recording the number as 2300 days; the Greek Septuagint, which was used by the Jews in Christ's day, says 2400 days. Bishop Thomas Newton, in his excellent book Dissertations on the Prophecies, written in 1754, confirmed that there was a third set of manuscript copies of the book of Daniel, to which the early church father, Jerome, refers in his commentary on Daniel. In this set of manuscripts the number given was 2200 days."
If this is so, and a discrepency does exist - is there any way possible now to know which one is right?? I happen to think that 2200 days could be the correct number. And by the way, there is 2200 day seperation between Sept 18 2001 and Sept 27 2007; these days being the Feast of Trumpets and the Feast of Tabernacles respectively.
Also could you give me your thoughts on the following two verses please?
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Are these two verses talking about the same event?? My guess is that they are and they are talking about the Pre-Trib rapture. Am I wrong about this?? If they are talking about the same event then doesn't the pretrib rapture happen at the sound of the "last trump"??
Now concerning the "last trump" -
The Last Trump http://philologos.org/bpr/files/l002.htm you don't need to click on this link, but this is where I got the next few lines from....
"We cannot go to the Book of Revelation and say that the voice of the seventh angel (Revelation 11:15) is the last trump. In the first century, the last trump (shofar) meant a specific day in the year. In Judaism, there are three trumpets (shofarim) that have a name. They are the first trump, the last trump, and the great trump. Each one of these trumpets indicates a specific day in the Jewish year. The first trump is blown on the Feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) (Exodus [Shemot] 19:19). It proclaimed that G-d had betrothed Himself to Israel. The last trump is synonymous with Rosh HaShanah (Feast of Trumpets), according to Theodore Gaster in his book, Festivals of the Jewish Year, in his chapter on Rosh HaShanah. Herman Kieval also states the same thing in his book, The High Holy Days (Volume I, Rosh HaShanah, Chapter 5, Footnote 11), in the chapter on the shofar. The great trumpet is blown on Yom Kippur(Day of Atonement), which will herald the return of the Messiah Yeshua back to earth (Matthew [Mattityahu] 24:31)."
NOW LET'S CONCIDER THESE SCRIPTURES:
Matthew 19:30 But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last [shall
be] first.
Matt 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them [their] hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Mark 10:31But many [that are] first shall be last; and the last first.
Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
Now if these scriptures are at all implicating the raptures/trumps then this would put the pretrib rapture on the Feast of Trumpets - not Pentecost.
Also in the book of Isaiah Chap 27 - [13] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.
So there is in the Bible mentioned a "trump", a "last trump", and a "great trump". Now if we go back to the verses mention earlier -
I Corinthians 15
[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all
be changed,
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the
trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we
shall be changed.
What mystery??
Ephesians 1
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
[10] That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather
together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which
are on earth; even in him:
That sounded like the rapture again in Ephesians 1:10.
How did Paul get the mystery and is it revealed??
Ephisians 3 [3] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, [4] Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) [5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
So what's the mystery he's speaking of?? The rapture itself or when it may occur or both? Is the following verses speaking of the same event??
I Thes 4 [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
**Actually the most interesting verse that I see above is verse 14. This verse to me is defining who verses 15,16,17 apply too - the verses apply to those who whether alive or dead, BELIEVE THAT JESUS DIED AND ROSE AGAIN. That sounds just like salvation to me.....Anyway that's another topic. I thank you in advance for your thoughts on these things and you and Ed are in our prayers. Agape and hope to see you soon!
Right now, the only thing I can think of to try is to subtract those days (and half of those days,because an evening and morning is one day, Gen. 1:5) from Sept. 13, 2007, which seems to be the Day of Destruction. However, only one ends near a feast day, and it has already passed. Here they are, as figured by Time and Date--not counted by inclusive reckoning.
9-13-07 (Tishri 1, 5768)
-2300 = 5-27-01 (Sivan 5, 5761, Eve of Pentecost)
-1150 = 7-20-04 (Av 2, 5764)
-2200 = 9-4-01 (Elul 16, 5761)
-1100 = 9-8-04 (Elul 22, 5764)
-2400 = 2-16-01 (Shevat 23, 5761)
-1200 = 5-31-04 (Sivan 11, 5764)
> > Are these two verses talking about the same event?
No. There are 2 Raptures. I Thess. 4:16 refers to the first " trump of God" at the Pre-Trib Rapture. I Cor. 15:52 refers to the "last trump" of God at the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints. That is when all will be changed in a moment, when the whole Body of Christ will actually become immortal. We have it by promise now, but actually then.
The first trumpet of God in the Bible was at Sinai on Pentecost. Moses went up Sinai, then was told, "Go down" (Ex. 19:20,21). Moses broke the two stone tablets on the Earth after he came down again from the mountain that represented Heaven.
The same sequence will be enacted in our days. When the first trump sounds, the Bride of Christ will go up to Heaven. Then Moses and Elijah (the two witnesses of Rev. 11) will come down to Earth as the Tribulation begins. They will ascend to Heaven again 3 1/2 days after Mid-Trib. After the shortened Great Tribulation, the Tribulation saints will be Raptured. Then the curse of Zech. 5:3 (the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) will be broken on the Earth in the Day of Destruction.
> > The last trump is synonymous with Rosh HaShanah (Feast of Trumpets)
Therefore, the Pre-Wrath Rapture is on Trumpets.
> > Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
> > Now if these scriptures are at all implicating the raptures/trumps then this would put the pretrib rapture on the Feast of Trumpets - not Pentecost.
The Judgment Seat of Christ will be on Trumpets. The whole Body of Christ will get the rewards they deserve then, regardless of when they were raptured.
> > How did Paul get the mystery and is it revealed?
> > Ephisians 3:[3] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery
Jesus revealed things to Paul himself after he met Paul on the road to Damascus. There seems to be more than one mystery, or various parts to one mystery.
Here is a mystery. One essence of God is perfect justice. In Ephesians 3:9,10, it seems that Paul reveals why God created man and tested him--to prove that He would be perfectly just in putting Satan and the fallen angels in their prison. If man, less powerful and not being able to see God, could still obey Him, God would be just in consigning Satan and his angels to their prison. They were larger and stronger. They could even see God and visit Heaven, and they still disobeyed Him.
Another mystery is in Eph. 3:4-6. It says, "Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel."
> > [5] Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; > > So what's the mystery he's speaking of?
That there would be one Body of Christ. In it are Gentiles, Jews and the Church. 1Co 10:32 says, "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God."
> > those who whether alive or dead, BELIEVE THAT JESUS DIED AND ROSE AGAIN.
That sounds just like salvation to me
For sure, those that believe that Jesus died and rose again are saved. They will be in Heaven, saved from Hell.
Thanks for your prayers. Agape
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