Posted 6-10-03
"the wedding might I mention..."
that in the bible the wedding takes place RIGHT BEFORE we return at THE END of the trib NOT at the begining of the trib or after the rapture.
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
these verses are all AFTER the bowl(vial) judgement and AFTER Babylon is destroyed.in the rest of the chapter we seen the second coming.
I am pointing this out so we can be accurate in our thoughts about the rapture and the wedding because many seam to assume that the wedding is right after the rapture. paul
I think the wedding takes place right after the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints. The 144,000 are part of the Bride of Christ. They are virgins, firstfruits, that stand before the Lord without fault.
Rev 14:1-7 says, "a Lamb stood on the mount Sion (the heavenly one), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they (the 144,000) sung as it were a NEW SONG (as the Bride sang in Rev. 5:9) before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God. And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment (the Judgment Seat of Christ) is come."
The order of events on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord seem to be:
1. The Coronation of Christ
"The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall REIGN for ever and ever"
(Rev. 11:15).
2. The Pre-Wrath Rapture
"the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth" (Rev. 14:3).
"These are they which came out of great tribulation" (Rev. 7:14).
"upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle...the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe" (Rev. 14:14,15).
"And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the 2nd Rapture) to the uttermost part of heaven" (Mar 13:27). Those who were taken up to Heaven in the 1st Rapture are gathered to the general assembly of Heb. 12:23 on the day of the 2nd Rapture).
3. The Marriage of the Lamb
"Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come" (Rev. 19:6,7).
4. The Judgment Seat of Christ
"thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth" (Rev. 11:18). The Lord will reward the believers in Heaven and punish the unbelievers left on Earth on the same day.
The Second Advent follows the Judgment Seat of Christ by 7 months. Eze 39:11-13: "it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD." Agape
Remember the article I found showing that the Supernatural night over the earth from noon to 3 p.m. was the start of the 3 days and 3 nights in the 'heart of the earth'?
Well, today I was reading in Isa. 53 and came to this verse, 9, which says this:
"And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death…"
We know that Nicodemus was a rich person and that portion was fulfilled at the burial. It was the rich person's tomb.
But, HOW did he "make his grave with the wicked" ?????? He was not buried with the wicked. The tomb was where nobody had ever been laid before. HOW could this be an accurate text?? What is the explanation??
Is this a "technical" mistake in the text???
NO, not if from God's point of view the grave period stated at the supernatural darkness !!! That would fulfill this verse!!! Do you see it???
He was on the cross at that period of darkness WITH THE WICKED!!! This is HOW He made His grave with the wicked!! It was Total Darkness, in effect in the grave with the wicked. We can only imagine what Jesus suffered during that time, as the wrath of God was poured out on Him and He Alone suffered the horrors of becoming sin.
He became sin for us, He who knew no sin.
How amazing this is!! I just saw this today. It is amazing, if you can see it. d
The copper Dead Sea Scroll of Isaiah has that he made his grave with the RICH, and with the WICKED in his death. That fits perfectly. He was buried in a rich man's tomb, and was between the two thieves when on the cross. Agape
I so love your web site of Pro's and Con's. It is easy to see that the Holy Spirit is working through you to help all of us learn is glorious truth! I realize that Pentecost is soon to be upon us, and we might not be here. But if I do get the books in time before we go they might be here for any of my family who might not make the first Rapture. I'm concerned for them and lift them in Prayer every day.
One other thing, if I may, on "World Tribune. com, May 28th 2003, Front Page. The Heading reads,
Has anyone else heard anything about this? Well its plain to see that we must be ready for the rapture. As Marilyn says it could be anytime soon. So let us be ready. God Bless All Of You Out There! Sincerely
> > I wonder just how close we may be to the signing of a peace treaty.
I wonder too. Every thing seems to be coming together now. Dan. 9:27 says, "he (the False Prophet, 'the prince that shall come') shall confirm (gabar, strengthen) the covenant (probably the Oslo Accords) with many (probably the UN) for one week" (of years, i.e., 7 years): and in the midst of the week he (the False Prophet) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease."
We call the 70th week of Daniel the Tribulation. De. 4:30,31 says, "When thou art in TRIBULATION, and all these things are come upon thee, even IN THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shall be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee."
The millennial Day of the Lord will not start until after the Departure we call the Rapture takes place. II Thess. 2:1-4 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren (believers), by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our (believers) gathering together unto him (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (lit., day of the Lord, all major MSS have day of the Lord, see the NIV, RSV, etc.) is at hand. Let no man deceive you (believers) by any means: for that day (the Millennium) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departure, i.e., the Rapture), FIRST, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed, the son of perdition (Satan); Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet, the Wicked One) as God sitteth in the temple of God (Mid-Trib), shewing himself that he is God."
Still speaking to believers, II Thess. 2:6-9 says, "now ye know what (the Holy Spirit) withholdeth that he (the False Prophet) might be revealed in his time (i.e., in the Tribulation). For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Holy Spirit residing in believers, the salt of the Earth) who now letteth will let (Old English for hindering will hinder), until he (the Holy Spirit in believers) be taken out of the way (i.e., be caught up to Heaven). And then (tote, at the same time, i.e., at the time of the Rapture) shall that Wicked (False Prophet) be revealed (when he strenthens the covenant of Dan. 9:27), whom the Lord shall (after both the Pre-Trib and the Pre-Wrath Raptures) consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall (after the Raptures) destroy with the brightness of his coming (he comes in glory at the Second Advent): Even him (the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18), whose coming (in the Tribulation) is after the working of Satan ('he spake as a dragon,' Rev. 13:11) with all power and signs and lying wonders."
Lev. 26:23,24,25,27,28 says, "if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times (years) for your sins. And I will bring a sword (the Sword of the Lord, Jer. 12:12, i.e., the asteroid of Rev. 8:8) upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant...if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you (this is the 5th chastisement) seven times (years) for your sins." Agape
A few months ago I was really ill. it was a time that I really felt alone. I was in terrible pain and cried out to the lord. Well he answered me!! One day I was on the web and into a site which had in it's listing, "Rapture"! Never did I believe in any rapture until after the tribulation. Well I said, Lord, if there is such a rapture before tribulation than you will have to give me enough scripture to prove it. As I started to read the Holy Spirit came upon me so strong, that my whole body was trembling with excitement, and the Holy Spirit convinced me it was true. This happened a few times to me with other occurrences. This is new and different than any other time the Holy Spirit has been with me. Talk about your double dose! Then He led me to you Marilyn, now I am no longer a lone. I have your wonderful Pro Con's and all the wonderful people who e-mail in to you. Now I feel part of the Bride. I pray He will come in the next few days. One thing I always new, was that when it came down to the signing of a contract between
Israel and Palestine, ( or UN ) that the tribulation would begin. Look
where we are Marilyn. We are so close to that happening that we are sure to be Raptured soon! Whether it is a day that we guess or one that our Lord has for us Himself. Let us all be filled with His Holy Spirit and
ready. God Bless all. Sincerely
I think 5758 (1997/1998) was 6000 years, not from creation, but from when Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden. That is when man began to be tested as mortal and knowing both good and evil.
Counting from the creation of Adam, I would subtract the 40 years he spent in the Garden being tested in the Dispensation of Innocence. The first king, Adam, was tested 40 years. The second Adam (Christ the King) was tested 40 days. The kings Saul, David and Solomon each were tested during a 40-year reign. Out of these three kings of Israel, David won the right to reign again.
> > Genesis 11:26 tells us how old Terah was when he got Abram.
Gen. 11:26 does not tell us how old Terah was when Abram was born, only that all three sons were born after Terah was 70. Gen. 11:32 and 12:4 reveal his age when Abram was born though.
Terah was born in 1878 AH.
Gen. 11:32 says, "the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran." 1878 + 205 = 2083. Therefore, Terah died in 2083 AH, and Abram departed from Haran in 2083 AH.
Gen. 12:4 says, "Abram was SEVENTY AND FIVE years old when he departed out of Haran." 2083 - 75 = 2008. Therefore Abram was born in 2008 AH.
2008 - 1878 = 130. Therefore, Terah was 130 when Abram was born.
> > Jesus came as Messiah exactly 4000 years from Creation in year 28.
BC 4043 - 4000 = BC 43. Since I think man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil started when Adam left the Garden after being tested 40 years, I think 4000 years after mankind's test as mortal and knowing both good and evil started would be BC 3. 4043 - 4000 - 40 = BC 3. Adding 2000 years brings us to 1998. 2000 - 3 + 1 (because no zero year) = 1998.
Why does it matter if 1998 is past? Is there a scripture that tells us what will happen 6000 years from Creation, or 6000 years from the beginning of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil? I can't change Bible Chronology just because it doesn't add up to what I think it should. Agape
P.S. My research agrees with you........
The Flood was in 1656 AH, when Noah was 600 years old (Gen. 7:6). Noah died 350 years later, when he was 950 years old (Gen. 9:28,29). So Noah died in 2006 AH (1656 + 350 = 2006 AH), and Abram was born 2 years later, when Terah was 130 in 2008 AH (1878 + 130 = 2008 AH).
"Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran" (Gen. 12:4). 2008 + 75 = 2083 AH, the year Terah died. "And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran" (Gen. 11:32). 1878 + 205 = 2083 AH. That was when Abram was 75 years old. It all fits the scripture clues.
Another person is Larry Williams, his book The Mountain Of Moses, Agrees with Wyatt.
The Israeli government is planning to start a dig in mid July to open the cave that Wyatt found the Ark of the Covenant.
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This wilderness of the Red Sea was reached as the Israelites left Egypt." It was in the border of Egypt, not the Gulf of Aqaba. It would have taken many days travel time to reach the Gulf of Aqaba. The Israelites reached the "wilderness of the Red sea" right away, as they "went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt."
"And they took their journey from Succoth (in Egypt), and encamped in Etham (which means border of the sea), in the edge of the wilderness" (Ex. 13:20). Etham was near the Egyptian border, not anywhere near the Gulf of Aqaba.
The Israelites were told to "turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol (meaning the tower, i.e., a watch tower) and the sea (the Red Sea), over against Baal-zephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea" (Ex. 14:2). Pihahiroth, Baal-zephon and Migdol were near the border of Egypt by the Red Sea.
The ISBE says, "mig'-dol, mig'-dol... This name ("the tower") is applied to two places on the east frontier of Egypt."
"Pharaoh...overtook them encamping by the sea, beside Pihahiroth, before Baal-zephon" (Ex. 14:9). Therefore, the Israelites crossed the Red Sea at the border of Egypt. Pharaoh also overtook them at the Red Sea at the border of Egypt, near Pihahiroth and Baal-zephon.
Nu. 33:2-8 says, "these are their journeys according to their goings out. And they departed from Rameses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month; on the morrow after the passover the children of Israel went out with an high hand in the sight of all the Egyptians. For the Egyptians buried all their firstborn, which the LORD had smitten among them: upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments. And the children of Israel removed from Rameses, and pitched in Succoth. And they departed from Succoth, and pitched in Etham, which is in the edge of the wilderness. And they removed from Etham, and turned again unto Pihahiroth, which is before Baalzephon: and they pitched before Migdol. And they departed from before Pihahiroth, and passed through the midst of the sea (the Red Sea) into the wilderness, and went three days' journey in the wilderness (midbar, wilderness, desert, pasture) of Etham." The desert of Etham started at Etham, near the border of Egypt.
Also, the first three days of their journey after crossing the Red Sea were still in the wilderness of Etham that started near the border of Egypt. To me, there is no way that they could have crossed the Gulf of Aqaba. They were in a wilderness, or desert, all the way to "the wilderness of Sinai" (Nu. 33:15). Verse 16 mentions "the desert of Sinai." The Hebrew word for both the "wilderness" and the "desert" is midbar. Agape
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Incoming email, Re: Thank God You're Are Getting Better
I was so happy to see that you are getting better and that you were posting once again at your website when I went there yesterday. Thank God for that! Both you and your husband will remain in my prayers until you are both out of the woods. YSIC
My reply
Thanks. I am improving each day, but have some pain. My right foot feels like it is numb or asleep. That is likely to stay with me. I had some numbness in both feet before this episode. Ed is still in pain. Father, please heal his L3 vertebra, and please help him to be able to sit up, stand up, and walk with a walker when he comes home. In Jesus' name, Amen. Agape
Note: My right leg wouldn't support me yesterday when I put it up on the curb first. In a flash, I was down on the concrete. Guess I'll have to lead with the good leg from here on.
Incoming email
I am praying that you are feeling better. Like I have mentioned before,
your Pro's & Con's are new to me. Recently have finished Pro Con 134.
And there is a lot more to read, to I catch up. But they have been a
blessing to me, as well as a comfort. I know that the Holy Spirit lead
me to your site.
My reply
Amen to the Rapture soon. If I can figure out when it will be, fine. If I can't figure out when it will be, fine. One thing I know, it will be at the very best time possible. The Lord doesn't make mistakes. I trust his judgment implicitely.
Thanks to the Lord, Ed and I are a little better each day. Thanks to Him and to the generosity of His people, we have been able to get the things we will need when Ed comes home. My heartfelt thanks to all. May God bless you richly. Agape
The Pencil Nebula Supernova Shockwave
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
My comments
This is interesting, because the constellation Vela is the sail of the ship Argo (meaning company of travelers). This ship has Christ's face on the prow above the waterline. The company on board represents the Bride of Christ. They will be floated up at the Rapture as Noah and his family were floated up in the Ark, which also stood for Christ the Saviour.
Incoming email, Re: The 6000 years and return of Christ
Thank you for answering.
What year do you think is 6000 from Creation?
Genesis 11:26 tells us how old Terah was when he got Abram. There is a perfect harmony when you discover it.
The book of Jasher is not in the Bible,but could be worth reading Jesus came as Messiah exactly 4000 years from Creation in year 28.His time had come.
If you keep to 2008 from Creation as birth of Abram ,you have already passed the 6000 years.
Since we do not agree on this date- The only thing we can do,is to wait and see.
The sign Jesus has given us very clearly is the armies standing outside the city of Jerusalem.....
The Jews will again be taken into captivity.The Gentile will control the city until Jesus comes.I think the development in Middle-East will be show that this will happen soon. Greetings
My reply
> > What year do you think is 6000 from Creation?
Incoming email
Just following your latest conversation about Terah and Abram
(Abraham), I sent you a chart that showed the year in the birth of the patriarchs, mine seem to match yours, at least in the year of the world dates, but my other dates are also listed in B.C., but that of no matter, as the year of the world is the one that does matter. If you lost it, I will
send it again. I prayed alot for your health and I see you are getting back on your feet, god bless you for your great work. I attached
the chart to this e-mail, hope it helps. Please open it in wordpad. God bless.
My reply
Yes, we agree. Thanks for your prayers and for the chart. I can't reproduce it here, but you have Terah born in 1878 AH and Abram born in 2008 AH, when Terah was 130. I think that is correct.
Incoming email, Re: Mt. Sinai
MJ you are a good bible student but you missed it this time. Mt. Sinai is mt. Jebel el Lawz in Arabia(Mountain of the Law). I traveled with Ron Wyatt in 1992 to the Gulf of Aqaba and help film underwater the parts of chariots and human bones of the remains of Egypt's army. Ron is not the only one to work this sight, a Dr.did a video it is very good, The Exodus Revealed, Produced by: Discovery Media Productions, Distributed by: Questar, Inc. (www.questar1.com) not connect with Wyatt.
My reply
Ex. 13:18 says, "God led the people about, through the way of the WILDERNESS OF THE RED SEA: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt."
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