Posted 10-25-03
Miriam, this is "good stuff." It certainly implies the Rapture at the time of the finishing of the grain/wheat harvest at Pentecost and then the wine harvest in the Fall.
This, again, points toward Pentecost as the Day of the Rapture.
The "times AND season must be fulfilled to complete all that has been written." David
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From: Miriam
Subject: A passage in the O.T. which substantiate the "two seasons for the application of the sickle" in Rev 14:14-20 ! (in complete context of Jacob's Trouble)
Please note another passage in the O.T. (Hosea 2:9) which clearly substantiates the only two seasons mentioned in the Bible for the beginning and the ending of the 7 years of Tribulation, as clearly presented in Revelation 14, which clearly reveals the two seasons in which the weapon of vengeance- the sickle- is applied: firstly, in verse 15: at the time of "the dry harvest" (grains/wheat), and lastly, in verse 18: at the time of "the wet harvest"- (the grape harvest).
Verse 15: "ripe" (in KJV) is "dry" (in Greek Interlinear) "xeraino", Strong's # 3583, dry, wither, make dry of plants
Verse 18: "ripe" (in KJV) is "akmazo", Strong's #187 and means to flourish, ripen, be in one's prime; #187 ripen or "wet" is the antonym or opposite to #3583 (according to pg 112, The Complete Wordstudy Dictionary, New Testament, Zodhiates)
Remember, when the Bible uses the word "corn" it most often means cereals/grain/"wheat" Strong's...
1715, dagan, from 'dagah' (1711); properly, increase, i.e. grain:--corn ((floor)), wheat.
Notice the order of Hosea 2: Verses 1-8 present a case of Israel's unfaithfulness which is condemned by the Lord. Verse 9 explains what the Lord is going to do about "that unfaithfulness" and WHEN He is going to do it. Verses 10-13 recount the 7 years of the "Day of Punishment;" Verses 14 thru the end of the chapter reveal what will happen AFTER the nation of Israel, because of her Rebellion, receives her Retribution for her "adultery" from her former Husband, which then is followed by her Repentance, her Reconciliation, her Restoration and her Rest, as the restored wife of "My Husband, My Ishi."
"And I will say to those who were not My people, 'You are My people!' And they will say,'Thou art my God! ' "
Following are several different versions of Hosea 2:9:
“Therefore, I will take back My grain at harvest time, and My new wine in its season. I will also take away My wool and My flax, given to cover her nakedness.” (The New American Standard)
"Therefore I will take away my grain when it ripens, and my new wine when it is ready. I will take back my wool and my linen, intended to cover her nakedness." (The New International Version)
"Therefore will I return and take back My grain in the time for it and My new wine in the season for it, and will pluck away and recover My wool and My flax which were to cover her [Israel's] nakedness." (The Amplified Bible)
"Therefore do I turn back, And I have taken My corn in its season, And My new wine in its appointed time, And I have taken away My wool and My flax, covering her nakedness." (Young's Literal Translation)
"Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness." (King James Version)
"Israel" in Hosea chapter 2, is speaking of "the WHOLE house of Israel," not just the northern Ten Tribes, because of the clear intent and the context. Miriam
"TAKE" is "laqach," TAKE UP.
"TIME" is "eth," season, when, time.
"SEASON" is "MOWED," festival, assembly, due season.
"RECOVER" is "NATSAL," snatch away, rapture.
This might mean that the Pre-Trib Rapture would NOT have to be on a feast day, that only the Pre-Wrath Rapture would be on a feast day.
The vintage is in Tishri. I feel sure that the Pre-Wrath Rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1. That FESTIVAL is also the day of the FESTAL ASSEMBLY in Heaven of Heb. 12:23 and was the "DUE SEASON" when Jesus was born (De.11:14). His advents will be as the coming of the former and latter rain (Hos. 6:1-3), Tishri 1 and Nisan 1.
When is a likely "time" for the Pre-Trib Rapture? If we take "time" as meaning the season of the Rapture, it could be on Ascension Day in the spring, as suggested by Song of Solomon 2:10-14. Ascension Day, 40 days after Resurrection Day and 10 days before Pentecost, is during the time of wheat harvest.
On next Ascension Day, Saturn will still be in Gemini too, although it will not be a morning star at that time.
If we take it as the more general "time," what would indicate a special time? the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37)? Cheshvan 17, when he was shut in the Ark will be Nov. 12 this year. Saturn, Shabbatai, will be in Gemini, the twins, and Jupiter will be in Leo, just as they were when Noah went into the Ark.
Kislev 24 (Dec. 19, 2003), Eve of Hanukkah, would also be possible. Saturn will be a morning star in Gemini.
Haggai 2:18,19 says to consider (suwm lebab, take it to heart) "from this day and upward (maal, on high), from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. IS THE SEED YET IN THE BARN? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth (NASA, LIFTED UP): from this day will I bless you."
How would you like to celebrate the Festival of Lights in Heaven? The oil of one day lasted eight days. Eight means new order. That could be significant.
This commentary caught my eye. Concerning those two verses, JFB says, "...even from the day that the foundation of . . . temple was laid--The first foundation beneath the earth had been long ago laid in the second year of Cyrus, 535 B.C. (Ezr_3:10-11); the foundation now laid was the secondary one, which, ABOVE THE EARTH, was laid on the previous work."
We are the temple of the Spirit of Christ, and the names of the apostles are on the foundation of New Jerusalem in Rev. 21:14. This foundation will actually be above the Earth. Agape
A fellow who goes by travistex posted your article concerning "As the Days of Noah" to the blessedhope.us website. I read your book "Revelations 2000" a few years back and tried to find my copy, but since I moved, things are still in a lot of boxes. Thought the answer might be in there and I could avoid having to ask the question.
Question: How do you arrive at the 2nd month of Noah (Gen 7:11) as being the month of Bul/Chesvan? Where in scripture do we find that the Sacred calendar which God gave to Moses at Passover/Exodus is different from the pre-flood or pre-exodus calendar of Noah? Seems to me that all recorded scripture is based on the sacred calendar.
I know you have a reason and have found something in scripture to point to this. I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and your capacity to swim in deep water (searching for deep understanding of God's symbols and clues). I'm a Georgia boy, but must have a little Missouri "show me". Where is it that you find this?
Thanks sweet pea. This rapture date has been a long wait, but somehow I think we are on our last trip around the sun. The end is in sight. May God bless.
I went out to get us some lunch, and had to pray that I would get back without a blowout. Just the way I parked, I could see that the tread was coming off of one tire. I got home safely, thank you Lord. Dave put that small spare tire on for me. I'm surprised that the mechanic didn't spot that when he put on new brake linings and rotated the tires about 2 weeks ago. I know now that it was going bad before we had the brakes done. I just didn't figure out what the trouble was at that time. I suspected the shocks, but that wasn't it.
> > How do you arrive at the 2nd month of Noah (Gen 7:11) as being the month of Bul/Chesvan?
It was before the Exodus. In Ex. 12:1,2, "the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying, This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you." At that point, the Hebrew Sacred Year began. The Lord wouldn't have said that if there was no change. The Jews still have both the Civil and Sacred Years. They also have the Regnal Year, which is the same as the Sacred Year. The reason they are the same is because Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords.
The "days, and years" of Gen. 1:14 had been recorded since Adam's day. They are still recorded that way today in the Hebrew Civil Calendar.
The so-called beginning of the Civil Calendar on the New moon of Tishri, New Year Day (NYD), in BC 3761 may have been because they could figure out when that First New Moon (FNM) occurred. The FNM was on Sunday at 11 minutes and 6 parts after 11 PM. They needed to have that basic figure to set the NYD mathematically in later years.
Exo 20:11 says, "in six days the LORD made (asah, refashioned from existing materials, not created from scratch) heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Therefore, I think the first Sabbath, when God rested, was Tishri 1 (the real First New Moon of Tishri). Gen. 2:3 says, "God blessed the seventh day (Saturday), and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God CREATED (bara, created from scratch) AND MADE (asah, refashioned)."
God set the pattern in the beginning, and it still held at the Exodus. "Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD" (Exo 31:15).
The Bible is consistent. I believe that the real First New Moon of Tishri was Saturday, Sept. 18, 4044 BC. Tishri can only fall in September or early October. Some of the Hebrew calendar programs I've seen put Tishri 1 in August. That won't work.
I went to YourSky, and put in Sept. 18, 4043. Since they put in a non-existant zero year, that equals 4044 BC. That is equal to 283 BJE (before the Jewish Era). The view of the sky shows that Saturn was on the border between Aquarius and Pisces.
I am going with YourSky's dates and day of the week. I feel really lucky that their Saturday, Sept. 18, 4044 BC was the same as I got years ago when I charted all the years in a spiral notebook. Just remember that astronomers put in the zero year. Add one year to their year if it is BC to compensate.
The chart (at YourSky) shows the New Moon, so it is Tishri 1, as I thought. I feel confident that this kosmos, orderly arrangement of things, began to operate on Saturday, Tishri 1, 283 BJE, Sept. 18, 4044 BC, the day God rested. I think that was the first Saturday Sabbath rest, arranged by the LORD (YHVH) of hosts, the Redeemer (Isa. 44:6) from his seven-ringed throne on Shabbatai (Heb. for Saturn). By setting up the week (Gen. 2:3), the day and year (Gen. 1:14) from the first, we can see that all the Civil Calendar began to operate on that Saturday, Tishri 1.
I went to several calendar converter sites, and couldn't go by them that far back. Calendar home had Tishri 1, 283 BC Jewish, as Monday, equivalent to Aug. 27 in 4044 BC. Tarek's Universal Converter, and Abdicate.net had Thur. Tishri 1, 283 BC Jewish as Aug. 15, 4044 BC. Tishri can only be in September or early October. August is out. Tarek's had Wed., Sept. 18, 4044 BC, as Cheshvan 5 in 283 BC Jewish. That can't be right. Tishri 1 can't be in Cheshvan. That's just frustrating, so I only use these sites to get the equivalent Jewish and Gregorian Years. So far, I think their years have been correct.
God named the stars. Isa 40:26 says, "Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth." Psa 147:4, "He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names."
The meaning of the God-given names tell the story. Aquarius means the pouring forth of water, i.e., as Christ pours forth the Holy Spirit. In the Coptic, Aquarius is called Hupeitirion, the place of his coming down as rain. Among the stars, we find the Hebrew Deli meaning the water urn, the Arabic Sa'ad Almelic, the record of the pouring out, and the Heb. Scheat, who goeth and returneth. That's meaningful. The Lord came down to create and teach Adam and Eve. They "heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day" (Gen. 3:8).
Here are some more star meanings. Pisces, Dagim (Heb., the fishes, like a multitude), Nuno (Syriac. the fish prolonged), "Pi-cot Orion (Coptic, the fishes, congregation, or company of the coming Prince.
Aquarius has a planetary nebulae, NGC7009, THE SATURN NEBULA, that has a RING around it rather like SATURN, picturing where the water pourer is located.
In some ancient planispheres, the fish had the heads of women, showing that they represent the wise and foolish virgins.
In the Denderah Zodiac (from about BC 2000), this sign is Piscis Hori (the fishes of him who comes), a perfect picture of the multitude that are to swim north (upward) in the Pre-Trib Rapture and the other multitude that have to get closer to Christ (Aquarius) and wash their robes before being caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture.
Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning (i.e., in the cool of the day); and he (the LORD of hosts, Christ) shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter (starts Nisan 1) and former rain (starts Tishri 1) unto the earth." Not only did the LORD of hosts come down as the rain of Tishri 1 in Adam's day, he came as the babe in the manger on Tishri 1. The Second Advent will be on Nisan 1.
Pisces does mean fish, and there are two fish. The one swimming up toward the house of Cepheus (i.e., Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords) represents the Pre-Trib saints caught up in the 1st Rapture. Like the foolish virgins, the other fish is swimming back toward the water giver to get more Holy Spirit. The Tribulation saints will be caught up on the Tishri 1 beginning of the millennial reign of Christ. All the saints are united with the LORD in the Body of Christ. Thus a star in Pisces is the Hebrew Okda, the united.
I agree with you that the end seems near, during this trip around the Sun. Agape
When I set YourSky for -4043 (which is actually 4044 BC), Sep. 18, and 14:00 UTC, along with the Sun and Moon, I could see all five naked-eye planets (Saturn, Venus, Jupiter, Mercury and Mars) plus Uranus.
I'm looking at the sky over Jerusalem, 31 degrees 46' 48" N, and 35 degrees 13' 12" E. I put in Oct. 4, -2386 (which is actually 2387 BC, 1656 AH, year of man, and Cheshvan 17, 1374 AM Jewish) at 5:30 UTC, the day Noah entered the Ark and the LORD shut the door. Again, all 5 naked-eye planets were visible to me. Saturn was in Gemini (the Twins), Jupiter in Leo (the Lion). Venus and Mars were in conjuction in Leo.
To compare with that, I put in Wed., Nov. 12, 2003 (which is Cheshvan 17, 5764) at 6:30 UTC. I saw Sun, Moon, and 4 naked-eye planets, Saturn in Gemini, Jupiter in Leo, Mercury and Venus. That is good correlation.
Saturn is a morning star both in Noah's day and Cheshvan 17, 5765 (Nov. 12, 2003). Saturn a morning star in Gemini and Jupiter in Leo will hold true for Kislev 24 (Dec. 19), Eve of Hanukkah, and Purim, Adar 14, 5764 (March 7, 2004). I'm hoping to see the Lord while Gemini is a morning star (Rev. 2:28). If it doesn't have to be a morning star, next Ascension Day, May 16, 2005, looks good too. Song of Solomon 2:10-14 would fit that.
Especially about the lifting up and worship of Mary. They believe that she is
1. Crowned queen of heaven and earth
2. Co-Redemptrix (this one is not official yet
and many more blasphemies against God!
Do you see the virgin Mary being a central focus in the end times. Especially between Islam and Roman Catholicsm? Fatima was the name of one of Muhammid's daughters.
Please give me your opinion on this "religion" called Roman Catholic! Thanks
Acts 4:10,12 says of "the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth...Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
As for the Pope, he uses symbols of the pagan sun god. The Monstrance depicts the sun.
The pavement in front of St. Peters Cathedral has the pyramid-topped pagan obelisk and the 8-ray sun wheel on them.
The title Pontifex Maximus started with Nimrod at the Tower of Babel. All of the 7 kings of Rev. 17:10 have the title Pontifex Maximus. In Rev. 13:1 the 7-headed beast has "upon his heads (all 7) the name (one name) of blasphemy." I think this name is Pontifex Maximus.
In Rev. 2:18-29, Jesus gives us his views on this church. Some in that group have obviously known "the depths of Satan," for Jesus says that some "have not known the depths of Satan." Addressing the ones "which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak;" Jesus says, "I will put upon you none other burden. But that which ye have already hold fast till I come." So there are two groups.
In mystery religions, only the core people knew who they really worshiped, Lucifer. They kept this secret from the masses and used symbols understood by like people to convey their sinister message.
Remember that the wise virgins have been caught up to Heaven before the Tribulation begins. Those that are left behind rally behind the Tribulation Pope, who was also left behind.
The harlot church of the end times is called by God, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" (Rev. 17:5). By the time of Rev. 18:4, a voice from heaven says, "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
Here we can see that there are two groups wrapped together as one. In spite of the few that have known the depths of Satan, there are those that God calls "my people." I think this final call to "Come out of her" is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. God's people escape in the nick of time before the asteroid destroys the headquarters at literal Babylon.
Zec 5:3,4 tells us how this scenario ends. It says, "Then said he unto me, This (the flying rolling thing, the binary asteroid) is the curse that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth (disobeying a commandment on the two stone tablets) shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth (disobeying another commandment) shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it (the curse, the asteroid) forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), and into the house of him that SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME (the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10), the Tribulation Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."
God's people make it out of there just in the nick of time before the asteroid destroys the headquarters at Babylon.
The rest of Zech. 5 shows that the headquarters of the world church is moved to Babylon. Verses 10 and 11 say, "Whither do these bear the ephah (largest wheat measure, world church)? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (meaning change of the city; i.e., Vatican City (Rev. 17:18) moved to Babylon, Dan. 1:1,2, Gen. 11:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (where the Tower of Babel was started). The Tower of Babel is finally completed at Babylon.
> > Do you see the virgin Mary being a central focus in the end times.
I don't know. I do wonder if the apparitions are the Jezebel of Rev. 2:20. Agape
"This re-sighting of Hermes is the Holy Grail of near-Earth asteroid discovery," said Edward Bowell, LONEOS Director. "Its orbit has been better calculated and observers have confirmed its re-appearance and also shown its binary nature… well, an asteroid’s return just does not become more profound than this."
The binary object was some 19 million miles out at the time of re-discovery last Wednesday, nearly 66 years after it was first seen. Hermes, which poses no threat to Earth, will make its closest approach on November 4th. By then it will be 4 million miles away and bright enough for amateurs to see using backyard telescopes....
More than six decades ago, Hermes was discovered by Karl Reinmuth at Heidelberg, Germany on October 25, 1937....
Steven Chesley and Paul Chodas of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory found that Hermes’ trajectory is very chaotic due to frequent close encounters with the Earth and Venus. Following its flyby of the Earth in 1937 at a distance of 460,000 miles (just 1.8 times the Moon’s distance), Hermes made an unobserved close approach to the Earth in 1942 of just 1.6 lunar distance. Using JPL’s Sentry impact monitoring software, Chesley and Chodas were able to find twelve distinct dynamical pathways that produced an encounter in 1937. Picking out the true orbit was then an easy matter , and led to the further prediction that Hermes will not approach the Earth more closely than 8 lunar distances within the next century
(http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news140.html).
On October 16, Andrew Rivkin and Richard Binzel of MIT observed a spectrum of Hermes using the NASA Infrared Telescope Facility in Hawaii, and were able to ascertain that the asteroid is of a type known as S class. Because the surfaces of S-class asteroids reflect, on average, 24% of the sunlight falling on them, Rivkin and Binzel were able to deduce that Hermes is 0.9 km (about 1,000 yards) in diameter....
There are now about 10 radar-observed binary near-Earth asteroids, about 1 in 6 of NEAs larger than 200 m in diameter. "We certainly did not expect to find a binary with roughly equal-sized components," said Margot. "All the binary NEAs that we have imaged so far show a secondary that is only a fraction of the size of the primary."...
"The name ‘Hermes’ also means hastener, and representations of him are symbolic of the messenger or the speed and majesty in flight," according to Schmadel’s Dictionary of Minor Planet Names....
< < Hermes, which poses no threat to Earth, will make its closest approach on November 4th.
This seems too early. Whatever one hits earth in the Day of God's Wrath will be at the end of the shortened Tribulation. However, this is a good warning and demonstrates what a Binary Asteroid can look like. This is to help us understand what is coming.
Jer. 23:18-20 says, "who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked. The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider (biyn, understand) it perfectly." Agape
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