Pro and Con 1273

Posted 1-18-06

Please pray for Myra Kennedy

This is from a dear friend at Faith Baptist Church in Fayetteville NC. PLEASE remember this little girl in your prayers. The circumstance is so sad yet she is SO strong for God. What a witness for us adults....
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I hope you all had a Merry Christmas and the beginning of a Happy New Year. Unfortunately it didn't start off happy for everyone and that is why I need your prayers. I have a little 7 year old girl in my Sunday School class who has just been diagnosed with Stage III Lymphoma. She comes to church with another little girl in my class. Her parents do not go to church anywhere. She came into class a couple of weeks ago and her little cheek was swollen, and I asked her why it was swollen. She said she had an abscessed tooth, had to go get it pulled, it was going to cost $70, and on and on she went. Well sadly, that was not the case, and she has a tumor in her sinus cavity, on her heart, and on her kidney, and she begins chemo treatments this week. They are going to give her the chemo in small doses over a long period of time so her veins don't burn out, but they are also worried that it may go to her brain. She has been taken out of school, but she wanted to come to church this past Sunday and her parents let her. PRAISE GOD!! She came in with her little surgical mask on and with a bottle of hand sanitizer. IS THAT A WITNESS FOR JESUS OR WHAT?? Please pray for her and put her on any and every prayer list you can find. Her name is Myra Kennedy. Thank you, Janet Raynor, Faith Baptist Church

"The Pope and The Koran"

By DANIEL PIPES, 1-17-06
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1136361101191&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Whereas the Bible is, for Benedict, the "word of God that comes through a human community," he understands the Koran as "something dropped out of Heaven, which cannot be adapted or applied."...

My reply

Ouch!

Watching Peres

"Peres: We'll aim to set final borders"

In a Tel Aviv speech, Peres says Kadima will attempt to reach final-status peace agreement, adds Israel needs a strong political Center to make tough decisions Moran Zelikovich
http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3200088,00.html

..."I spoke now with Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and we agreed on one major thing, to try and set final borders in the upcoming term...

Regarding talk about dividing Jerusalem as part of a future peace deal, Peres said "the controversy over Jerusalem can be resolved even without dividing it."

"I'm not at all convinced Jerusalem should be divided," he said. "In my view, any situation can be resolved through creative ideas."...

Incoming e-mail, Re: Doves Post Dec 7TH

You lost me there when you referred to the foolish-virgin saints and the 144,000 Bride Saints in the tribulation period. I knew the foolish-virgin saints were in there, but I thought the Bride was the Pre-trib saints. I have never heard of the 144,000 Bride saints in the trib. You don't distinguish there which are the saved Jews in that time. There is likely somewhere I could peruse that on your website. Maybe you could direct me to it, and also where I could get a handle on your mentioning 5771 as THE year -- I don't know where you got that date.

I enjoy your posts, and not having a printer presently, I have copied this Dec 7th post by hand so I will have it for study because it is succinct about all this. I notice no one refutes you on it or even discusses it very much, but they usually just go on raving in their own vein without even considering what you say. I don't think there is much way they can refute it because it answers and clarifies so much. Thanks and blessings

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I'll show you why I think the 144,000 Israelites are included in the Bride-of-Christ group.

Rev 6:16-17 says, "And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE (Jesus, seen in the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?

When the Day of God's Wrath has already come (Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets started at 6 PM), and the Pre-Wrath Rapture has to take place before the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 hit Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5), the 144,000 are sealed. This sealing is at the end of the Shortened Great Tribulation, not at the beginning of the Tribulation.

Eze 9:4-6 is the type. It says, "the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set A MARK upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, GO YE AFTER HIM THROUGH THE CITY, AND SMITE: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: BUT COME NOT NEAR ANY MAN UPON WHOM IS THE MARK".

SAINTS OF ONE NATION, ISRAEL, CAUGHT UP TO HEAVEN AT THE LAST TRUMP

Rev 7:1-4 says, "I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having THE SEAL of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, Saying, HURT NOT THE EARTH, neither the sea, nor the trees, TILL WE HAVE SEALED THE SERVANTS OF OUR GOD in their foreheads. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and THERE WERE SEALED AN HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND OF ALL THE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL."

Rev 14:1-5 says, "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having HIS FATHER'S NAME WRITTEN IN THEIR FOREHEADS. And I heard A VOICE FROM HEAVEN, as the voice of many waters, and as THE VOICE OF A GREAT THUNDER (i.e., the "last trump," I Cor. 15:51,52): and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps (a symbol of redemption, Rev. 5:9, and in Gemini and Lyra in the sky): And they sung as it were A NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS (i.e., wise virgins). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. THESE WERE REDEEMED FROM AMONG MEN, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD."

The wise-virgin saints caught up in the first Rapture sing the New Song. At the second Rapture, only the 144,000 can sing the New Song. I think that all caught up in the first Rapture, plus the 144,000 of the second Rapture are Bride saints.

SAINTS OUT OF ALL NATIONS CAUGHT UP TO HEAVEN AT THE FIRST TRUMP

If there is a last trump, there is a first trump. I Thess. 4:16,17 tells us that the first trump of God is at the first Rapture.

Rev 5:8-10 mentions harps when it tells us about those saints previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. It says, "when he (Jesus) had taken the book (7-sealed Title Deed to the Earth), the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them HARPS, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they (the saints) SUNG A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth."

THE HARP, SYMBOL OF REDEMPTION, SEEN IN GEMINI AND LYRA

Rev 15:2 says, "I saw as it were a sea of glass (Saturn's rings made up of ice crystals) mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the HARPS of God."

In God's Gospel Among the Stars, Gemini pictures the Bride and Bridegroom sitting together in heavenly places. Eph 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." It is the Bride that is holding the sign of redemption, the harp.

Lyra, the eagle rising heavenward with a harp, is flying heavenward singing at the top of his lungs. The brightest star in Lyra is Vega. It means HE (i.e., Jesus) SHALL BE EXALTED. Another star is Sulaphat. It appropriately means springing up or ascending. The time of this ascension is the first Rapture, when the Bride and Bridegroom actually sit together in heavenly places, probably on Saturn.

> > 5771 as THE year -- I don't know where you got that date.

After the time had passed for 5768 to be the year of the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent 7 months afterward, I went to 5771 (2010, 2011), because it is the next leap year that follows 5768. According to Eze. 39:12,13, there are 7 months between Tishri 1 (the day of God's Wrath) and the following Nisan 1 (the Second Advent). This can only happen when a thirteenth month is added in a Jewish Leap Year. Agape

How a Rabbi Found Peace: A Personal Testimony

by Rabbi Max Wertheimer, 1863-1941
http://www.amfi.org/wertheim.htm

...I began to study the context and in Isaiah 50:6 I found, "I offered my back to those who beat me." Then I read how the chapter began: "This is what the Lord says." I asked, Does God have a back? Did he give it to those who beat him? Then I read, "My cheeks to those who pulled out my beard," and how he did not hide his face "from mocking and spitting." I asked myself, When did Jehovah have these human characteristics? When and why did he suffer these indignities?

In my confusion, I began to read Isaiah from the beginning. I was stopped at the sixth verse of chapter nine: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be upon his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." Here was a most incomprehensible thing!

I was suddenly faced with the doctrine of the Trinity. What now about our familiar monotheistic slogan, Shema Israel, Adonai Eloheynu, Adonai ehad ("Hear 0 Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord")? Upon that word ehad ("one"), the entire philosophy of Judaism is based. I had been taught by the rabbi.,; that ehad means "absolute unity." I began to study that word, and found to my amazement it was used of Adam and Eve who became "one." It was used again when the spies returned from Canaan with a cluster of grapes (eshkol ehad). Again it is found when the "men of Judah" stood up as "one man" (eesh ehad). Suddenly, I was struck with the error l had believed and proclaimed all through my ministry. Ehad cannot mean "absolute unity," but must refer to a composite unity.

Next I began to search for the name of Jesus in the Old Testament. In my study, I found that 275 years before Christ, King Ptolemy Philadelphus summoned men from Palestine and commanded them to translate the Hebrew Scriptures into the Greek vernacular. They took the Pentateuch first, and when they came to "Joshua" they translated it Yesous, written with a circumflex over it to show that there had been a suppression of the Hebrew that could not be expressed in Greek. When Joshua went into Canaan with the other eleven spies, he was called Yehoshua ("Jehovah is Savior"). That is exactly what the word "Jesus" means.

I could hold out in unbelief no longer. I was convinced of the truth of God as it is in Christ Jesus....

Incoming e-mail

...You probably already have this but I thought I would send this (LSJ) Greek-English Lexicon by Liddell, Scott, and Jones to you anyway.

The Perseus Digital Library
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3D%2313812

My reply

Thanks. Here is the first word I looked up. It is used in 2 Thess 2:3. I think "he apostasia" there means that the departure, or the disappearance (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) must come first, before the son of perdition is revealed

Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon:

apo-sta^sia , hê, late form for apostasis,
A. defection, revolt, v.l. in D.H.7.1, J.Vit.10, Plu.Galb.1; esp. in religious sense, rebellion against God, apostasy, LXX Jo.22.22, 2 Ep.Th.2.3.
2. departure, disappearance, Olymp. in Mete.320.2.
3. distinguishing, c. gen., Elias in Cat.119.7.
4. distance, Archim.Aren.1.5.

Incoming e-mail, Re: apostasia, i.e., departure

I am glad that you have come to use the Lexicon to your advantage as perhaps a desk top or favorites item. Yes ! A "departure, a disappearance", what else can it mean. Those who don't dig miss a big treasure of hope. The more I understand reasoning for the different camps of Christianity, I remain so frustrated at "those" you just can't "see" a pre-trib rapture. They take a "falling away" in violation to all the Scriptures eluding to the anti-christ being revealed after the ecclesia is taken away. All this leads to another frustration that most believe all "professing" Christians believe that they can live like the world and still be taken in a pre-trib rapture. I know we just throw seed and those that see, see. Still, I suffer frustration from trying to get the blind to see. Marilyn, you are so precious to the Body of Christ in trying to get the lame to walk and with proper wedding garments and oil that require preparation.

All of this is being said like ears and eyes once taught become "stopped" to new perspectives of Scripture. It as if it isn't the preacher anymore, they have to hear in on CNN or some other liberal new box before they believe. Everyone seems to be suffering from information and brain overload. They, the majority, just aren't open to signs of our times. It must all fit into the coming disillusion, which now, it seems, is...

Thanks for allowing me to voice my frustration of stopped ears and blind eyes. These present attitudes too must come to pass. Thank God for a hoped for soon departure. Ah, there I go again. I'll be accused of becoming an another escapist preacher, hmmm.

Let's let them keep thinking about that after it happens....Agape"

Two Become One

Site recommended on incoming email on Pro and Com 1271
http://www.revelations.org.za/Lib.htm

Q: "Is it not true that Deut' 6:4 relates to a 'COMPOUND UNITY' and not to an absolute 'ONE' ?"

Answer:

You (not MJA) differ in this statement with millions of Jews, throughout history. Jews, much to their own demise, are certainly rated amongst the most intelligent humans, as a nation, under the sun. It therefore is a very audacious statement from you, to overthrow in one swoop of the pen, the very foundational statement of the Jewish Faith which claims, according to the Bible, that GOD IS ONE - NOT A UNITY! You also differ with Messiah Who emphasized this foundational Truth very strongly, referring to it as "the GREATEST COMMAND".

It defies the mind how some non-Jewish people, like yourself, can accuse an entire nation of NOT understanding the elementary basics of their own language. More so, when it comes to the BASICS of the figure/amount/concept of something as elementary as ONE. Ask any Israeli child of even a few years old, what is the meaning of 'echad' (as used in Deut. 6:4) and they will tell you 'one' and probably stick one finger up in the air in explanation! Yet YOU and many erudite Messianics and their teachers claim that the Jews do not understand!

The argument is also raised by some that the word 'echad' does not mean an absolute "one" but a compound "one." Dr Fruchtenbaum, an exponent of this theory, makes the following claims on a 'Jews for Jesus' Web Page: "For instance, in Genesis 1:5, the combination of evening and morning comprise one (echad) day. In Genesis 2:24, a man and a woman come together in marriage and the two "shall become one (echad) flesh." In Ezra 2:64, we are told that the whole assembly was as one (echad), though of course, it was composed of numerous people. Ezekiel 37:17 provides a rather striking example where two sticks are combined to become one (echad). The use of the word echad in Scripture shows it to be a compound and not an absolute unity."

This argument is based on confusion and deceit, as is the doctrine of a Trinity. In the examples he quotes, it is clear that 'echad' is still referring to an 'absolute one' day, one marriage couple (flesh), one assembly and one stick. Can anyone picture in their mind two sticks, in his example? It refers to an 'absolute' one stick (though made up of two).

My comments

The writer accepts Yahshua/Jesus as the Messiah. He just hangs on to his previous beliefs too.

> > It therefore is a very audacious statement from you (another writer, not MJA), to overthrow in one swoop of the pen, the very foundational statement of the Jewish Faith which claims, according to the Bible, that GOD IS ONE - NOT A UNITY! You also differ with Messiah Who emphasized this foundational Truth very strongly, referring to it as "the GREATEST COMMAND".

I don't think Jesus refered to De. 6:4 as "the GREATEST COMMAND".

Mt. 22:36-40 says, "Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

De. 6:4 says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHWH) our God (elohim) is ONE (echad, united) LORD (YHWH)."

Mt 28:19 says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in THE NAME(SINGULAR, one name) of the Father (1), and of the Son (2), and of the Holy Ghost" (3).

Isa 48:18 says, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD (1), and his Spirit (2), HATH SENT ME" (3, Yahshua/Jesus). Thus saith the LORD (YHWH), thy Redeemer (Yahshua/Jesus), the Holy One of Israel; I (YHWH of hosts, Isa. 44:6) am the LORD (YHWH) thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go." O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments (Yahshua/Jesus/ commandments)! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

Both YHWH King of Israel and YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer are God. Yet John 1:18 says, "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."

This means that YHWH of hosts (the pre-incarnate Christ) was the God that dealt with man at Mt. Sinai. All along, he was the God that interacted with man. He talked with Adam in Eden. He talked to Abraham. He was manifested as the Angel of the Lord several times.

Isa 53:1-5 calls him "the arm of the LORD). It says, "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is THE ARM OF THE LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. BUT HE WAS WOUNDED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, HE WAS BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIES: THE CHASTISEMENT OF OUR PEACE WAS UPON HIM, AND WITH HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED."

YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, is also referred to as the Son of God.

Pro 30:4 says of YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name (YHWH), and WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME (YHWH OF HOSTS, YAHSHUA, JESUS), if thou cans't tell?

Mt 28:19 is plain. It says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in THE NAME(SINGULAR, one name) of the Father (1), and of the Son (2), and of the Holy Ghost" (3). The three are one united YHWH.

No wonder De. 6:4 says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHWH) our God (elohim, a plural word) is ONE (ECHAD, UNITED) LORD (YHWH)."

> > This argument (of Dr Fruchtenbaum) is based on confusion and deceit, as is the doctrine of a Trinity. In the examples he quotes, it is clear that 'echad' is still referring to an 'absolute one' day, one marriage couple (flesh), one assembly and one stick. Can anyone picture in their mind two sticks, in his example? It refers to an 'absolute' one stick (though made up of two).

On this subject, this man has eyes that can't see the whole picture. Dr. Fruchtenbaum sees it correctly. It is the evening and the morning, two things, that become one united day. It is Adam and Eve that become one united flesh. It is two sticks that become one united stick.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Cataract Surgery

It's so good to hear from you. I'm so sorry for the burden that Ed bears daily. We do want instant healing at the rapture and I can't help but believe it is even this spring. My nine year old granddaughter has heard recently from the Lord, she says. Her credibility is extremely high. When she was a preschooler, she said that Jesus came through the ceiling in her bedroom at nap time. She said that she felt so sorry for Him because He had "owies" on His hands and feet. He told her that He was going to heal her of her life threatening peanut allergy and he showed her her bedroom in heaven that had rainbows for window curtains. She repeated that experience several months later, saying that Jesus still had the sad "owies". The thing that made that so unique was that because of her age, she did not yet know about Jesus being nailed to the cross by His hands and feet.

When she reported this last incident, it made me feel that the rapture is extremely near and promises healing for all of us who struggle with out health daily. She is a very bright child with an unusually pure spirit and a deep heart for the Lord's word. When she was 18 months old, she was advanced verbally and was quite put out with her mother who could not see the angels in their front yard, while she herself saw them plainly....

Anyway, to finish the loop, the number of impossibilities in my own life are surpassed only by the promises that the Lord has clearly given regarding victory over them. Not only in the Word, but also in a series of five dreams that depicted scenes from the situation I find myself in today...the end of which was the rapture. It was only after I "felt the sentence of death" approaching, that the Lord clearly intervened and appeared without actual harm ever coming to us....

I pray for you often in these difficult days and ask the Lord to encourage your heart. You have blessed so many with your studies and I will be one of the cheering onlookers when the Lord gives you your reward.

My reply

Thanks for sharing all of this with me. That sure is a precious girl. You have a wonderful family.

Looking back, I blamed not being able to see lots of images online on Earthlink's acceleration program. I blamed the white haze on the screen on the computer's memory being loaded down. I blamed not being able to read certain newspaper articles and Web pages on small fonts, and baseball or basketball scores on TV's squeezed figures down at the bottom of the screen. I blamed the daytime white haze outside on LA smog being blown over to Riverside by sea breezes, the heavy traffic on the freeways and old-prescription lenses. I blamed the night haze in the sky on city lights and strong lights from the four little-league baseball fields they built in the park three houses and a street from me. These are legitimate, but at the same time, my sight was getting worse because of the cataracts in my own eyes.

Now, I realize why the glare-rays from approaching traffic blank out the left side of the road at night. The doctor said that glare was the first thing he heard about from people developing cataracts. I hope new lenses and anti-glare coating will help enough to keep me driving until the Rapture. Ed can't drive. Agape

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