Pro and Con 29, uploaded 11-5-97

Incoming Email, Re: Great site

I've read a lot of prophecy on the internet,this site is absolutely the best. Any insight as to what will be going on from the time of the first rapture and the start of the Tribulation?? Also our own time span now till may 98..

My reply

Those are welcome words, "absolutely the best." Thanks. I try hard.

Between now and the Rapture, the Church should pay attention to being ready, having known sins confessed and staying filled with the Holy Spirit. The wise virgins keep that extra oil of the Holy Spirit so they are ready. There will be tears and gnashing of teeth for those foolish virgins/Laodiceans that are spewed out of the Body of Christ for chastisement during the Tribulation.

Each Christian should try to bring their family and friends into the fold, explaining the urgency of the situation here in the time of the end. These are special times when it is easy to see that the prophecies are coming to a head. We will earn rewards for our efforts and even if those we talk to do not believe now, they just may after the Rapture becomes reality. They will remember what you told them was going to take place. Do tell them not to despair if they are left behind. They will probably have missed out on being the Bride of Christ, but there is another Rapture at the end of the shortened Tribulation for the rest of the Body of Christ.

After the first Rapture, there seems to be a grace period during which Christ checks Israel for fruit four Jewish years. Will the Rapture help them see that Yeshua is their Messiah? They should realize that since the temple records were burned in 70 A.D., that no one else could prove they were descended from King David. If Yeshua is not their Messiah, there can't be one.

I think these four years are from Pentecost 1998, l999, 2000, to Pentecost/Feast of Weeks in 2001. Then, when Israel, as a nation, does not come around, the Tribulation will begin to chop the Fig Tree down. See Luke 13:6-9.

Incoming Email, Re: sapphire is a astonishing clue!

It has taken me awhile to answer your question, "sapphire was a pretty good clue wasn't it?" I wrote you a note about Heaven Found. I was the reluctant purchaser and reader of your 2nd book, although I loved your first. I loved your book Heaven Found now also. Sapphire is the greatest clue. What treasure there are everywhere to find.

Sapphires can be golden, red or cornflower blue. The red ones are ruby and can have a star in them. The blue ones also can have a white star in them. I believe the golden ones are topaz. Please correct me if I am wrong. My mother had a beautiful blue star sapphire ring. The white star divided the blue sphere into four corners....

My reply

Thanks so much for telling me that sapphires can be golden. I didn't know that. I grabbed my Webster's Unabridged, and sure enough it listed yellow. Wonderful.

Incoming Email

... When Jesus was born history tells us that the seers were knee deep in Judea, all looking for the King that they had calculated would be born it that place at that time. I believe strongly that we are seeing the same kind of witness today. It's not Millenial maddness! God HAS revealed His intentions to us all, in every way possible. He is about to do a new thing, and the old things will pass away. I agree that there is no real defined time schedule for the church. The revelation is for the nation Israel, and based on the scriptures, "That which holds back" must be moved out of the way in order for this final set of events to take place. Therefore, it is clearly indicated that we, the church, are in our last days. Israel will once again pick up the mantle of service!

The time of JACOBS sorrows is a time for the Jews to be gathered in and purged from sin by God.

These are spectacular times for us all. There are reports everywhere about a trememdous revival taking place. The spirit has been poured out for there is no other way to have this revival. The end to the church age is here. It is the time of the harvest.

When Jesus told the parable about the harvest, and the wheat and tares, He said that they would grow up together, otherwise if while pulling up the tares the wheat also would be pulled up. But at the time of harvest He says the workers, The Angels, would gather up together the tares into be burned, Then the wheat would be gathered into the barns. Haven't we been seeing this gathering together of tares for a while now as Godless people form up into groups, each after it's own kind. The Homosexuals, The right to Choose, The euthanasia people, Atheists, The UFO cults, NewAge Spiritualists, you name it. They have all been gathered together, They have identified themselves and formed up in piles ready for their destruction.

Now we see the wheat being seperated out as well, to be gathered into the masters barns. Isn't this one of the strongest signs?

My reply

Thanks for your recent help on a reference for the use of a shout and trumpet in traditional Jewish weddings....

Whenever the Rapture is, it cannot be far off. My main message is for the church to get ready, use I John 1:9, confess their sins and be filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit so they will be chosen as the Bride of Christ. We want to be wise virgins and Philadelphians and go at the first trump. They are "The FIRST of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God" on Pentecost (Ex. 23:16,19). Salvation is free, but we can work for this best of all prizes, to be chosen as the Bride.

The Tribulation saints plus the foolish virgins/Laodiceans are the remainder of the firstfruits. I think they will be caught up to Heaven at the last trump on the Feast of Trumpets on the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan 8:14).

These two trumpet calls are indicated by the two silver trumpets in Numbers 10. At one trump, "then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee" (Nu. 10:4).These are 12 of the elders in Rev. 4:4. (The others are the 12 apostles.) At the last trump, "all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation" (Nu. 10:3).

Both of these trumpet calls come before the Judgment Seat of Christ takes place. After judgment, the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth. The first two trumpets are the trump of God and sound at the two Raptures. Angels sound the seven trumpets of judgment. All trumpet calls are not the same.

These have been found in ELS Bible codes: 6 Sivan, 5758, Shavot, Christian, Ascent, Disappear, Escape, Tribulation, Resurrection, Eternal, Heaven, and Enoch--all within Gen. chapters 30-34 that have to do with Joseph, a type of Christ in that he was despised by his brethren, yet saved them from death. Sometime next week, I hope to have a paper written by the man, Mr. Hader, that found these things, uploaded to my Web site. The URL will be: http://www.kiwi.net/~mjagee/hader.html

Incoming Email

What is the difference between "His branch" in Matthew 24:32, and "Her branch" in Mark 13:28, and the "They" of Luke 21:30?

Also, how do you derive a gap between the Rapture of the church and the beginning of the Tribulation period? What exactly do you base that on?

My reply

I don't think the difference in "his" and "her" branch is meaningful. Green's Interlinear has "When its branch has already become tender and it leafs out" in Mt. 24:32 and "when its branch has already become tender and puts out leaves" in Mark 13:28.

The "they" of Luke 21:30 makes sense for it is talking about "all the trees." It shows that the fig tree sprouts in the spring as all the trees do. June 5, when the Six-Day War began, is in the spring, but summer was nigh, June 21st.

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One of the questions I have had in the past about Babylon being literally Babylon (Iraq area) is its apparent incongruity with current events and how Babylon could become the nation depicted in the bible.

Could we be beginning to see this happen before our eyes. Imagine. Iraq refuses to allow UN inspectors in and it brings about a world coalition response (same one as desert storm) which also brings world condemnation. The area is subjugated and now controlled by the world coalition. It sets up headquarters there and becomes the first territory of the New World Order. Before long it emerges as a World force. This would explain the prophetic events that show the Beast's and False Prophet's World Movement being so central to the Middle East yet allows for the accepted democratic/new age philosophies of the UN to flourish.

Look at which directions the little horn starts to conquer. And how it would spark Magog to feel threatened and actually lash out. It would be facing the armies of the world in their backyard. Look at CNN.com. It is all there.

(Speculation, not prophecy.) Keep watching.

My reply

Thanks for these ideas. All I know for sure is that Babylon means literal Babylon on the Euphrates, that Saddam Hussein has rebuilt a lot of Babylon (festivals started to be held there yearly starting in 1987), that the World Government and World Church will be headquartered there during the Great Tribulation, that it will be totally destroyed on the Day of God's Wrath, and that no man will ever set foot there again after that.

Incoming Email

I read your book about four years ago and it had a strong impact on me. I wanted to contact you about it but only recently found your web page. Thanks for offering to answer email, I really appreciate that!

I would like to check out H. K. Kuek and Robert Ware's web sites. What are their web page adresses? Maybe you could include links to them on your web page.

One of my favorite sites is http://www.prophezine.com they publish a set of prophecy articles and news items every two weeks. One article from prophezine that you might be interested in is about Acts 12. It interprets Peter as the Church, and his passing the iron gate as a symbol of the rapture. It concluded that the rapture would occur three years before the start of tribulation.

I am not sure about that gap between rapture and tribulation. I heard Jesse Duplantis preaching and he said that God spoke to him and indicated that after the rapture he would be returning in seven years.

I know you think that Luke 13:6-9 indicates that gap, but I think that it can be interpreted other ways. I think the main message of those verses has to do with how intercessory prayer can give others more time. In other words, that the message in Luke 13:6-9 is not primarily prophetic.
...Looking forward to your reply!

My reply

> I would like to check out H. K. Kuek and Robert Ware's web sites.

Neither has a Web site at present. Kuek does not answer snail mail. I talked to Bob Ware on the phone 3 times last weekend. He hopes to get his Web site back up soon. He just keeps finding new things so puts it off. I told him that if I am right, and he is convinced I am, then we don't have much time. He agreed.

One of many things unusual about 1998. It is the midpoint in this sequence: Leap Year, Prime Year, Midpoint, Prime Year, Leap Year.

I tried to find that file on Phrophezine, but failed. Can you give me the exact URL to go directly to it? (He could not find it either. It may have been removed.)

The ten days in Rev. 2:10 can mean ten years. The word translated days can mean any of a number of time periods, the actual meaning to be understood by the context. If Rapture I is in 5758 and Rapture II in 5768, the ten years works out just right.

In Rev. 17:12, the ten kings "have received no kingdom as yet." Since Revelation is written as if the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10), this means that at the Rapture, these ten kings have no kingdom. Yet, at the beginning of the Tribulation in Rev. 13, the first beast has ten horns (kings) and "upon his horns ten crowns." They are crowned as the Tribulation begins. This leaves room for a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation.

Forwarded Incoming Email

> > A PROPHETIC DREAM

> > > > by Jim Bramlett, October 31, 1997

> > > > "Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those
> > days, and they will prophesy" (Acts 2:18, NIV).

> > > > Consider: (1) When a highly credible Christian not accustomed to
> > supernatural experiences has a prophetic dream, it is noteworthy; (2) When
> > the dream is contrary to the way that person has been traditionally taught,
> > but is compatible with what some say God has been recently showing them, it
> > is DOUBLE noteworthy; (3) After the dream, when the person seeks the Lord
> > for the meaning, and the answer comes back confirming the dream, plus the
> > imminence of its content, that is TRIPLE noteworthy!

> > > > The below account was given to me by a pastor of many years, solid and
> > mature in the Lord. It was written by a trusted friend of his, also solid
> > and mature in the Lord.

> > > > ************************

> > > > October 29, 1997

> > > > "Let me begin by introducing myself. I was raised in the Baptist church and
> > have been a Christian for 25 years. During this time I have been involved
> > in various Christian service: teaching Sunday School, leading youth
> > discipleship groups, participating in mission trips, participating in prayer
> > groups, involved in women's ministry, etc.

> > > > "Having been raised in church, I have heard Revelation taught many times and
> > have been taught about the Rapture. My entire teaching, AND belief has
> > always been that the entire church, the Bride of Christ, all genuine
> > believers in Jesus, will be raptured either prior to the tribulation or
> > certainly before the worst of the tribulation.

> > > > "Early in the morning of October 25, 1997, I had the following dream....

> > > > "I was driving home, alone in a Volkswagen van, down a country road bordered
> > by farmland. Ahead of me on either side lining the road were large
> > eucalyptus trees. I looked ahead of me and saw a beautiful house that sat
> > on the right hand side of the road just before the line of eucalyptus trees
> > started. As I was looking at the house I saw, with my peripheral vision, to
> > the left, on the horizon, what appeared to be a eucalyptus tree that was so
> > large it reached all the way from the horizon as far into the sky as I could
> > see. (I could see this far because the land was very flat.) When I looked
> > closer I saw that it wasn't a tree at all but thousands of people in white
> > moving up into the sky. I knew it was the rapture and I was terrified. I
> > slammed on the brakes; the van turned end over end. I remember thinking, 'I
> > should be hurt or killed' but instead I was standing on the side of the road
> > with my arms in the air crying out to Jesus. Then I woke up, very shaken.

> > > > "I went downstairs to ask God what the dream meant. I couldn't understand
> > why I was not in the rapture because I know I am a Christian. God showed me
> > that on the side of the van was written the word 'carnality.' Then He
> > reminded me of the Parable of the Ten Virgins. He told me several things
> > and said, 'Do not listen to Satan's whispers.
> > There are not many days left.'"

My reply

Thanks. "There are not many days left" fits right in. Two women I know heard a voice. One said, "You will never die." If I remember right, the other said, "I am coming in your lifetime." My son remembers that we must be perfect from what he heard the Lord say, so the "carnality" fits also.

Incoming Email, Re: Thank you

I found your website quite by accident about two weeks ago by doing a search on the word "Rapture." The Lord has been leading me for quite some time to study on that subject. At first glance I thought you were just another "kook" like the many that you can find on the Internet. The Internet is like a newspaper... I hope you don't believe everything you read in it. You are in big trouble if you do. To paraphase Proverbs 18:13, "He who decides before knowing the facts is a stupid fool!" Knowing that, I decided to look a little deeper into the information you have posted on your website, by downloading it all and cross referencing much of it with the Bible. [I'm still not through and have a long ways to go.] But the more I read and studied the more you began to make sense. Having more questions than what any one person ought to be able to ask you, and knowing that many of them will be answered in process of further studies, I could not resist asking you some of them.

I have been a Christian for over 41 years, and I have been taught that the Rapture is a part of Salvation's package deal that was purchased for us on Calvary's cross. [Justification, sanctification, and glorification all wraped into a nice little package.] I asked you a question about that. Well today, as I was studying, the Scripture jumped off of the page in BOX CAR LETTERS and hit me right between the eyes. Who better could you believe on the subject other than the Lord Jesus Christ Himself who plainly says in Revelation 3:10,

"Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell upon the earth" .

I thought about the negative alternative... If you dont... then He wont... And then the light bulb came on... That is CONDITIONAL--not automatic! The Rapture therefore is not a part of Salvation's package that the saved get automatically--but is a REWARD that can and MUST be earned through perseverance! The promise of deliverance from the coming Tribulation is clearly given ONLY to those that are prepared and are worthy of it. I saw that only those who are WORTHY will attend the wedding feast of the Lamb and His Bride . Those that "miss the boat" at the First Rapture will consequently have to wait for the next one--the Second Rapture. I used to think that the Second Rapture was only for people that were saved after the First Rapture. Now I know that lukewarm Laodicean believers will miss the First Rapture and will be spued into the Tribulation . Talk about learning chastisement's lesson the hard way! May we all bring forth fruits WORTHY of repentance so that we will not miss the First Rapture . If all of your calculations are correct, then we indeed are running out of time to get right with God--and to draw close to the Lord as we realize that the fulfillment of End Time Bible prophecy is indeed nigh at hand.

I used to not think very much of women preachers as a whole. But it was a woman who bore the first message to the desciples of our Lord's resurrection. What an honor. How is it that it is not a man that has been carrying this wonderful message of our Lord's soon coming return since 1968? I for one would like to say thank you for being there and remaining faithful to Him for all of these years. We now know and we have some time left to do something about it before it is too late. God only knows where I would be if my eyes were not opened up to see this wonderful truth. May God bless you until we meet together around His Throne.

Ps. Could you please answer the second question that I last send to you?-- How do you derive a gap between the Rapture of the church and the beginning of the Tribulation period? What exactly do you base that on? I need some help on that.

My reply

Sorry about the delay in answering you about the gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation. Since getting rearended, these daily visits to the chiropractor cut into my day. We got the car back today. They did a beautiful repair job on it.

Long ago, when I first started studying the Bible intensively, Dr. Whiting, of Dallas Theological Seminary, said that he always drew the time line with a break in it because there was no Scripture that said that the Tribulation had to immediately follow the Rapture. There could be a gap.

To me, Israel has four years of grace, Jewish years, figured by inclusive reckoning, after the Rapture happens to see that the New Testament is true and the Yeshua is their Messiah.

Luke 13:6-9 says that Jesus "spake also this parable: A certain man (the Lord) had a fig tree (Israel) planted in his vineyard; and he (the Lord) came (at the Rapture) and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years (5758, 5759, 5760; our 1998, 1999, 2000) I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also (5761, our 2001), till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down (during the Tribulation)."

If the Rapture is on Pentecost and the Tribulation begins on Pentecost/ The Feast of Weeks, the timing is exact. The three feasts in Nisan belonged to the First Advent. Pentecost belongs to the Church. The three feasts in Tishri belong to the beginning of the Millennium, so Pentecost fits. It is the Feast of the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, and we are called wheat. The Feast of Weeks is perfect too for the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel.

The ten days in Rev. 2:10 can mean ten years. The word translated days can mean any of a number of time periods, the actual meaning to be understood by the context. If Rapture I is in 5758 and Rapture II in 5768, the ten years works out just right.

In Rev. 17:12, the ten kings "have received no kingdom as yet." Since Revelation is written as if the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10), this means that at the Rapture, these ten kings have no kingdom. Yet, at the beginning of the Tribulation in Rev. 13, the first beast has ten horns (kings) and "upon his horns ten crowns." They are crowned as the Tribulation begins. This leaves room for a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation.

I hope this helps. Any other questions? Don't hesitate to ask. I'll do my best to answer, and if I don't know, I'll say so. No one knows everything.

Incoming Email

Your website is so full of information that I just find it too difficult to absorb everthing.One thing it does is to give me hope of the Lords soon return in a world that seems to be crumbling on all sides.As a Christian I believe what the Bible says but it is still difficult to understand all that has been written.I thank God for your warning to the Church of the emminent return of the Lord.God bless you.

My reply

You got the best first. The Lord is coming. Time is short. Build on that. Step two is to realize the necessity of confessing known sins and being filled with the Holy Spirit. We want to be wise virgins filled with the blazing oil of the Holy Spirit so we will be chosen as the Bride of Christ. Those left behind will be taken to Heaven in a second Rapture on the 2300th day of the shortened Tribulation. They are the rest of the Body of Christ, but not the Bride, which is the best prize we can work for.

Salvation is free, but rewards can be worked for. We must not neglect either if we want to escape the Tribulation chastisement.

The Body of Christ has different parts. Christ is the head and the brain. Those who have lived during this age and have already died are the main part of the Body. The Philadelphian wise virgins are one foot of the Body of Christ. They will be born into a new world a little ahead of the last foot, the Laodicean foolish virgins.

The word of the Lord is like honey. Proverbs 25:16 says, "Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it." Absorbing everything in one dose is not possible. It is like arithmetic. Taken step by step, it is easy.

When I find a new book, I scan it first, read the contents page, look for the most interesting points, and read those first. Then I fill in the gaps and then start from the beginning to really study it.

When it comes to the Bible, a good place to start is with the gospel of John. He wrote to prove that Jesus Christ is God. Once we have that straight, it is great to read the New Testament on to the end. This gives us the instructions on how to live the Christian life and our first prophecy book, The Revelation of Jesus Christ. This is an outline meant to be fleshed out by prophecies from the Old Testament. Therefore, next read from Isaiah to John. Then start from Genesis and read it all. By knowing the prophecies first, when you read the history of the Israelites, you will find that they played out little skits to help us understand prophecy. This recorded history repeats itself by God's design.

The first time through, absorb what you can and leave the rest for another time. The next time, you will be amazed at what you will understand that you missed the first time. The more we know about the Bible, the more we can know. It is like working a jigsaw puzzle. We find pieces all over the table and put them together one at a time. It is fun, and once the Bible gets hold of you, you can't let it go. You just keep searching for one more piece of the puzzle as you have time.

His reply

I am deeply humbled by your reply. I will follow step by step as you instructed and hope and pray that the Lord will give me a deeper thirst for His Word especially the prophetic word on the BLESSED HOPE of the Lords return. God bless you and your ministry.

Incoming Email

Just another quickie as I was reading your posted emails.

You had stated in "Pro - Con 4" in "My Reply, Subject: 9-13-93 Agreement" that the temple must be built to sacrifice. I don't think that is right. The altar is all that is needed, and that consists of a pile of rocks on the Temple Mount....

They have found a new cornerstone to the temple and have paraded it around the Temple Mount (10/97) 7 times like in the days of Jericho. They have found the "red heffer" without blemish, raised in Israel for the first sacrifice. They have tried to put an altar on the Temple Mount, but the Government has refused due to Arab pressure. They hope to accomplish this by next Rosh HaShanah and Sukkot, but they are really trying to accomplish this in the year of Jubilee (5758). They have also found (discovered) the royal blue color that the priests wear and have started producing the priests' clothing. They have also started training priests "without blemish" who can enter the Holy of Holies when the Temple is built. Time is close!

Hope that helps!

Again, thank you for posting all of that information. It has really educated me and forced me to open my mind. Before I read it, I didn't even believe in a rapture!

My reply

I am pleased to be able to help. It is the Lord's doing. Without him, I could do nothing.

Somewhere, I said that at least the altar has to be there because sacrificing begins as the Tribulation begins (Dan. 8:14). However, I do expect the temple to be there at the beginning of the Tribulation because of Rev. 11. Moses and Elijah start their ministry then, and the temple is mentioned.

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
Marilyn
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee

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