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I am sure you have looked at Jeremiah 5:24 before. There we have reference to our former and latter rains--and how they come in their proper TIME, but also we read: "and he keeps for us Shavuot, appointed for the harvest." Of course the general context seems to be about God's faithfulness in bringing Israel its proper seasons, for prosperity--but the idea of God KEEPING the Appointed Shavuot--feast of Weeks, is interesting, is it not.

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I just keep being blessed by this "he keeps for us Shavuot, appointed for the harvest." Thank you so much for pointing it out. He kept it in 30 A.D., and He will keep it at the wheat harvest....

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I recently read your pro and con page- 76 about the guy from sweden- What a blessing it gave me the warm fuzzies that God has used you and your site to bring people to him self. What a blessing, Anyway praying for yur ministry, health and family God bless you

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Our family sure went around with a warm heart. It is such a blessing to be used of God to bring another into the fold. You know that later, that person will be eternally grateful. Where is that verse about all the angels in heaven rejoicing when one soul is saved?

How about snow in Jerusalem just as spring was about to begin--brought by El Nino (named for the Christ child)? Prov. 25:13 speaks of snow in the time of harvest. Did Christ send snow to show us that the "wheat" harvest will be this spring? New York too had snow, five inches the first day of spring.

Today, 3-27-98, it is snowing in our local mountains here in Southern California, snow level expected to drop to 2000 ft.--unusually low. It is an Arctic storm that blew in.

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thank you for your quick response to my last e-mail (Translation of 2 Thessalonians 2:3,7). I'm continuously reading the Pro and Con in order to learn more about God's word. I agree with you, that everybody has the responsibility God to check out scripture. Everything must be tested by the Word of God. When we stand at the throne of God we will not be able to blame others (Christian leaders, teachers, or any other person etc.) but ourselves.

I am in the process of reading everything which you have published on the internet and I agree that there is an overwhelming evidence that the rapture I will be happening this year on Pentecost. But there is still a certain amount of doubt in me and I am praying to God that by His grace He will confirm to me the date of the rapture which you have indicated. I want to be 100% sure.

But even if the rapture would not take place on this Pentecost, I think nobody has the right to accuse you. The signs are obvious that the end is near and as you say it is the way you see it and everybody should check it out for himself. I believe it is every believers responsibility to check the scripture for the truth. The Holy Spirit in us will lead us into the complete truth.

I am really grateful to God for your insights. They have inspired me tremendously and I have a love for Jesus which is growing stronger each day. Keep up the good work you have started....

In Pro and Con 72 you have interpreted Rev. 12 as follows:

Woman -Israel (I agree)
The time is the middle of the Tribulation (I agree)
The man child must be the two witnesses (I don't agree) -Re:12:5: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. -Firstfruit-believers are to reign with Christ.

I interpret the man child to be the saints being raptured before the tribulation starts (1st Rapture). In my opinion Isa.66:7 refers to Rapture I before the tribulation pain comes to the Nation of Israel and the Nation of Israel is born on one day. The Nation of Israel will be borne on one day at the end of the Great Tribulation. The child (Firstfruits saints) are actually children of Abraham (Ga:3:7: Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.).

It is difficult for me to believe that the man child is Moses and Elijah. In my opinion the man child represents the firstfruit believers.

What concerns the timing of events in chapter 12, I understand it as follows:

Verse 1: First the women (Israel) is shown

Verse 2: She is with child (believers in Jesus) and in pain waiting for deliverance. This can be interpreted that Israel is pregnant with the church since the coming of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost and waiting now for her time to be delivered/redeemed. During the last 2000 years Israel has been constantly persecuted (e.g. Nazi-regime in Germany, currently political difficulties in Israel). I believe the birth of the man child at the rapture of the church (Rapture I) signals that the Church age is over and God will again deal with Israel as He has promised.

Verse 3: Satan is still in heaven.

Verse 4: Satan is casting his followers (demons) on earth. This might be an indication to increased demonic activity on earth before Rapture I occurs. Maybe Satan wants to destroy the first-fruit believers before they go to Jesus at the rapture. Maybe Satan is just giving it a try... (We know from scripture that nothing can separate us from the Love of God). In my opinion giving birth to the child is a picture of Rapture I.

Verse 5: The first-fruit believers (church) are caught up to God's throne. -Rapture I. After giving birth there is a 1260 day period without action.

Verse 6: Israel flees into the wilderness (is it Petra?) after the Antichrist enters the Temple in Jerusalem to declare himself God. God will be taking care for the women during the Great Tribulation for 42 month. I believe that God protects his chosen people (Israel) from the Antichrist who will be possessed by Satan himself after he is cast out into the earth (Verse 9).

Since I did not get any answer from the Pro and Con section I would like to ask you directly on which planet heaven is located. Is it Saturn?

Thank you for your patience and work. God bless and reward you,

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Thank you for your kind comments.

> I want to be 100% sure.

Then it wouldn't be "that blessed hope" (Tit. 2:13). :-)

> I interpret the man child to be the saints being raptured before the
> tribulation starts (1st Rapture).

Rev. 12:2 says, "And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered." It is already the Tribulation.

> In my opinion Isa.66:7 refers to Rapture I before the tribulation pain comes
> to the Nation of Israel and the Nation of Israel is born on one day.

It is possible, but I think it refers to the Messiah. Isa. 66:5,7 says, "Let the LORD (YHVH) be glorified: but HE (i.e., "his redeemer the Lord [YHVH] of hosts," Isa. 44:6) shall appear to your joy...before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child...for as soon as Zion travailed (the Tribulation), she brought forth her children" (the 144,000 at Rapture II). Notice the change to children when it refers to Rapture II.

> It is difficult for me to believe that the man child is Moses and Elijah.
> In my opinion the man child represents the firstfruit believers.

That's OK. It is not a major point.

> I believe the birth of the man child at the rapture of the church (Rapture I)
> signals that the Church age is over and God will again deal with Israel as He
> has promised.

Are you willing to place Rapture I in the middle of the Tribulation, when believing Israel flees "into the wilderness" to be fed there the last 1,260 days of the Seventieth Week of Daniel (Rev. 12:6)? Also, look at verse 4, where Satan cast his angels to Earth, and he stood before the woman "which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born." Does Satan do this at the Pre-Trib Rapture? Aren't Satan and his angels cast down to Earth Mid-Trib? (Rev. 12:9). In verse 14, the woman is nourished for 3 1/2 years "from the face of the serpent."

> Verse 3: Satan is still in heaven.

But the woman is on Earth, so Satan comes to Earth to stand before the woman.

> After giving birth there is a 1260 day period without action.

In Verse 15, "the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood." In verse 17, the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant..." All this is action.

> Verse 6: Israel flees into the wilderness (is it Petra?) after the
> Antichrist enters the Temple in Jerusalem to declare himself God. God will
> be taking care for the women during the Great Tribulation for 42 month. I
> believe that God protects his chosen people (Israel) from the Antichrist
> who will be possessed by Satan himself after he is cast out into the earth
> (Verse 9).

All true, and yes, I think they flee to Petra.

> Since I did not get any answer from the Pro and Con section I would like to
> ask you directly on which planet heaven is located. Is it Saturn?

Yes. In the Septuagint, Zech. 3:10 says, "For as for the stone (planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs, rings)." It not only has seven rings, it is the seventh of the original planetary lineup: 1. Mercury, 2. Venus, 3. Earth, 4. Mars, 5. Rahab (now the Asteroid Belt), 6. Jupiter and 7. Saturn.

In Rev. 4:3, "there was a rainbow round about the throne." In Ezek. 1:28, there was "brightness round about." In Ezek. 1:26, the throne has "the appearance of a sapphire stone." We know this is symbolic for Ezek. 10:1 says, "as it were (symbolic language) a sapphire stone." Sapphire is the seventh stone mentioned in Ezek. 28.(There, Satan was to be destroyed from the "midst of the stones of fire." His planet was Rahab, in the midst of the planetary lineup.)

To cap it all off, the word sapphire is from the Hebrew "sappir," which is from the Sanskrit "sanipriya," literally, dear to the planet Saturn, from "Sani," Saturn, plus "priya," dear. No wonder at Sinai (from "Sani"?), Moses saw under God's feet "as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body) in his clearness (tohar, glory)" Ex. 24:10.

Job 37:18-22 in the Septuagint says, "Wilt thou establish with him foundations for the ancient heavens?...But the light is not visible to all (I can see it); it shines afar off in the heavens, as that which is from him in the clouds. From the north (upward) come the clouds shining like gold: in these great are the glory and honour of the Almighty." Saturn has golden clouds. Ezek. 27 really tells us that it is the color of amber from the equator upwards and amber from the equator downwards.

In II Cor. 12:2 Paul "know a man in Christ...caught up to the third heaven." Count them: Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. It is perfect. At that time, Rahab had already been split apart.

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It's funny. As my quest for knowledge and understanding about God moves on, the more questions I find popping up in my head (most of which I don't yet know how to ask). However, I am finding that each answer I come across provides great satisfaction.

The question on which I'm now dwelling doesn't deal directly with your books, but I wanted to seek out your opinion. You've had such a great influence on my life already that I consider you the best "earthly" source to turn to.

I'm intrigued by the books by Neale Donald Walsch "Conversations with God". Are you familiar with them? Through his conversations, he reveals a very 'down to earth' God. This a picture that many people are not often exposed to, especially the great sense of humor that Mr. Walsch credits God with. I find these things very easy to believe. I guess I'm try to somehow tie this side of God's personality in with what we know from scriptures. I did a search on Mr. Walsch's web site for the words 'rapture', 'Jesus', and 'Heaven'. None were found. I'm just curious why these important topics were left out of his conversations. (Perhaps he forgot to ask).

Anyway, that's my rambling for today. I hope you have some thoughts about this.

I'm still working through Revalations 2000. It's great!

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Omitted, but he told me things that were in the books that did not agree with Scripture.

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...If they do not agree with Scripture, throw them out. Otherwise, they will bring you trouble.

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Re: "Conversations with God" book
Thank you for helping me. I got your reply on Friday and it was like a wake up call.

Before I recieved your message, I had had a difficult day at work....I couldn't concentrate at all. I was sick at heart trying to know the truth, and I prayed earnestly at work for God to reveal the truth to me. Your message gave me what I needed to look into my own heart where I already knew the truth. I had an hour drive...and in that hour I felt so stupid, and gullible. I felt great guilt and remorse for letting myself be drawn into something like that. During the drive God allowed me to realize the falsehoods contained in those books.

I couldn't believe that I had forgotten so many of the things I had already learned about the Lord and so readily fell into Satan's trap. He must have known of my desire for knowledge about God and thought this book would steer me of the path.

You are so right. Those books contain so many things that sound so good and so right, but underneath there are lies so great I still don't understand how I missed them the first time. God has shown me the way though, and I know that I have passed this test. Thank you so much for your help. Just as God brought me to your books 2 years ago, I believe he led me to seek your help again.

I trashed the books today when I got home. I don't feel the conflict within me anymore either. I find myself concerned about all the others who have read that stuff and been affected by it, and the author. When such good comes out of a work like that, the evil is very difficult to see. They don't have much time to get back do they?

Take Care. You have my thanks.

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I thank the Lord that you now understand how Satanic forces work to try to fool us. They would love to get us all listening to music that is so loud that we can't think and reading deceiving books that try to convince us that we shouldn't use our brains. Meanwhile, the days are passing us by, and we are running short of time to get right with God.

I hope others can profit by your experience and wake up too. Thank you for letting us know how it came out. Now, you will be blessed for withstanding the test.

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I have been enjoying your pages. Indeed the time is short. I have been studying the feasts and the temple and their significance to the end times so visiting your pages and reading your insights were wonderfully enlightening and confirming in many ways.

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I wondered if you would comment about a vision I had about 7 days ago. I was praying and really felt very far away from God and even doubted my salvation and wondered if I would even be taken when the rapture happens. I have had a really terrible 2 years and due to the death of my husband am now bringing up my children as a widow. As I began to pray I suddenly saw a picture:

I saw a field of what I think was wheat, but I am not sure. It was either wheat of barley. It was very tall, there was lots of it and it was blowing in the breeze. Suddenly I saw myself, I was standing in the field right in the middle of the tall stalks of wheat.

I was wide awake and over the next few days wondered what it meant. I came to the conclusion it was the Lord showing me that the crop is ready and I was to be included in the harvest.

Do you see any significience in it being wheat?

I would appreciate your comments. It brought me a lot of comfort and felt that God was trying to comfort and reassure me.

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It is hard to know, but because of what you have been through, it must have been to comfort you. We are the wheat (Mt. 13:25), and Pentecost is the beginning of wheat harvest.

Since we are probably within the last four month countdown to the Rapture now. John 4:35,36 comes to mind: "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest. And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together."

Now is the time to do what we can to gather others into the fold.

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I would not ignore the rest of scripture that teaches us to live one day at a time. "give us our daily bread." We know that no "prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21). That is why we must not set dates. I have had visions and words from God. I've also heard words from Satan. If any word or vision does not agree wtih scripture, it must be discarded in favor of scripture. For God does not lie. A light shining on a verse convinced you to ignore the fact that no one knows the time of Christs' return, you can forget the semantics about hours or days, etc. It is not to the point.

If you cause one innocent one to sin because of your hardness of heart, it will not go well for you at the rapture. (whenever that is, only the Father knows!). I am one of the olive trees. See if the other's initials are revealed to you, then I might believe you.

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I do not have a hard heart. Each of us is obligated to search the scriptures and see if these things are so. When I saw light on Jer. 50:2, I told the Lord that OK, I would continue to study and write, but he would have to help with the publishing, that I didn't know anything about that. He has. Avon Books called me. I did not call them. They sell all three books on the world market. My third book was #2 on Armageddon.com Books' February Best Seller list, and #1 was a video. My books can be found in B. Dalton's and other big secular chains. Only the Lord could arrange that, I couldn't.

The two olive trees of Zech 4:11-14 are Moses and Elijah.

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FYI, as referenced in your Pro & Con 74.

A not to enlightening page, short on substance, long on sarcasm by Bob L. Ross. http://www2.southwind.net/~jeremiah/rapture2.html.

I do feel similar to your writer who said "Is it just me, or do you sometimes feel the same way, that the closer May 31 gets the harder it seems to accept that the rapture will actually take place on that day?

We all are fatigued by the cares of this world that so easily beset us. That is why your constancy is so important and deeply appreciated. Thanks for putting your additions up.

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Thanks. I had read it before. Guess he must have emailed it to me. At least, he put my URL up. That's not too bad. He said that he was a slo-mo. I hope he becomes a fast-mo when the Rapture happens.

I wonder how Noah felt when the day to enter the Ark drew near. No one believed him that it was going to rain. Rain represents the coming of the Lord. The Jewish year 5758 means the season of Noah. 58 spells Noah. Hope that is a good indicator. When they asked me on the radio if I thought El Nino was a sign, I said I didn't think so, that it happened every few years. However, El Nino is named for the Christ child, and it is bringing a LOT more water than before. I'm beginning to wonder.

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thank you for you replies to my questions. I am studying your latest book now and find your revelation of the 'was' 'is' and 'will come' regarding the beasts is outstanding. Again, after studying for years, it seems as though someone walked in the room and turned on a light. Would you mind if I posted some of your thoughts from your books on our website? We will of course credit you and the Good Lord! We appreciate you greatly and hope to see you soon!

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Thanks so much for the bit about turning on a light. That makes me feel really good.

Of course, I don't mind if you post some of the things I have written, as long as I get credit. The word needs to go out. I appreciate your wanting to post it and would love it if you would send me a copy.

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Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my email. I know you must be really busy....I know from your pages that you believe that Pentecost will be the Rapture. I found your pages very insightful. I believe that the spring feasts have been fulfilled. So the fall feasts will be fulfilled in Christ's Second Coming. And with Passover I guess I don't really understand why Pentecost would have to be fulfilled again. But I am still learning. It seems that the more I learn and read the more I know we have to learn.

But it really ultimately doesn't matter what I think but what the Word of God says.

I know in my spirit that there is such stirring. I believe that this year the Jubilee year will show us something. There is too much significance to ignore. Also that it is so much like the Days of Noah.

I was reading last night in Marion F. Kremers book that the number 3,000 was significant in the amount of Jews that repented and were baptized in Acts 2:41 and also in Exodus 32:38 the amount of Israelites died for worshipping golden calf at the birth of the Jewish Nation. I just felt led to share this with you. I look forward to hearing from you. Love in Christ, "Bless Your Heart"

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The spring feasts in Nisan had to do with the First Advent. The fall feasts in Tishri have to do with the Millennium. Pentecost belongs to the church, and there were two wave loaves. The second Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets the first day of the Millennium. What feast is before that one that could be the Pre-Trib Rapture? Pentecost....

> I believe that this year the Jubilee year will show us something. There is
> too much significance to ignore. Also that it is so much like the Days of Noah.

Yes, especially since 58 spells Noah and the Jewish year of 5758 (our 1997/98) means the season of Noah.

> I was reading last night in Marion F. Kremers book that the number 3,000
> was significant in the amount of Jews that repented and were baptized in
> Acts 2:41 and also in Exodus 32:38 the amount of Israelites died for
> worshipping golden calf at the birth of the Jewish Nation.

I can't think of any way 3,000 ties in except that Israel was to be raised up in the third day (Hosea 6:1-3), and they were--2000+ years had passed.

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Arutz Sheva News Service, March 5, 1998 / Adar 7, 5758
URI ARIEL: WHY SHOULD WE GIVE MORE LAND FOR NOTHING?
Leaders of the Yesha Council have asked for an urgent meeting with Minister Ariel Sharon regarding his plans for a withdrawal from Yesha and his attitude towards a Palestinian state. Beit El Mayor Uri Ariel, a leading member of the Yesha Council, told Arutz-7 today that he and his colleagues Ze'ev Chaver and Yesha Council head Pinchas Wallerstein stand by their threat to act to topple the government if it decides on a withdrawal. "I have heard it quoted in Sharon's name that Israel must get used to the idea of a Palestinian state, while ensuring that it does not endanger our security. If he said this, this is very grave, because... this is a contradiction in terms: The Palestinian entity now is endangering our security, and how much more so would a Palestinian state endanger us... We will object to the formation of a Palestinian state as strenuously as we know how..."

Ariel objects to holding talks with the Palestinians before they fulfill their end of the Oslo agreements: "Israel demands reciprocity, but has not received anything... The PA keeps selling us the same merchandise again and again. It continues to allow Hamas to operate, and we can only be thankful that lately they have not been successful... I advise the government to concentrate on demanding Palestinian fulfillment of obligations."

When asked whether he would continue to object to a withdrawal even if carried out in stages, Ariel said, "The salami method is well-known, and dangerous, as the Prime Minister himself has said. We plan to meet with other government ministers as well, not just with Sharon, so that they should not be surprised that we plan to work to topple the government if it goes on this path... This irresponsible withdrawal will not lead to peace - the most that they're talking about now is "understandings" or an "arrangement," but it certainly will not bring peace - and will not gain us anything. In May 1999 the Oslo agreement ends, and Arafat will declare a state, so why should Israel volunteer to give him more parts of the heart of Eretz Yisrael for his state in exchange for absolutely nothing?"

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